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Stills from the behind-the-scenes video

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As requested, here is a post with some screen caps of the behind-the-scenes vid. These captures are courtesy of Dukayn.

The Targaryen banner – This differs from the book version which has a dragon with two legs and no arms. Not a huge difference.


Night’s Watch training – Mark Stanley as Grenn and Kit Harington as Jon Snow filming a scene of them sword fighting training. Love the training armor. Very pieced together, which is appropriate for the underfunded Night’s Watch.


Baratheon men-at-arms – Some extras sporting the Baratheon stag heraldry. Notice the “sigil on a lanyard” on the one guard. We’ve seen that before, in a leaked photo now known as “Costumegate.”


An extra donning his armor – Some fantastical looking armor here. Very Oriental looking. Some speculation this may be Dothraki armor. Or maybe even Targaryen armor, in a possible flashback scene. My guess? This is the Lannister look. Remember they once entertained the idea of giving the Lannisters curved, samurai-type swords. They ditched that idea, but I’m thinking they kept the samurai style for their armor.



Harry Lloyd as Viserys – Silver hair and all. He’s wielding what looks to be a Dothraki arakh. It looks pretty sweet.


Dothraki – A group of Dothraki riding through a field. Note that this is the field of willows that was talked about as a filming location. It seems this is the only Dany scene that has been filmed so far.


George R. R. Martin and Richard Madden as Robb – This would have been from the pilot, as GRRM has not yet visited the set since they started filming the full season.


Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont – Yup, that’s Jorah. Superb casting.


Direwolf relief – The much discussed direwolf relief from the Winterfell set at Castle Ward. Love the weirwood tree at the top of the engraving.


Watching the monitor – Owen Teale as Alliser Thorne looks on as Luke McEwan as Rast conducts his training. Don’t touch the screen.


The boys sparring – Not sure if this is Bran or Tommen. I’m guessing this is also from the pilot shoot.


Catelyn and Tyrion – Another shot through the monitor. Michelle Fairley as Catelyn looking frightened as Tyrion confronts her. This looks to be from their trip through the Mountains of the Moon.


Conan Stevens training – Conan Stevens practicing his sword fighting. He’s not wearing a shirt. Somehow I’m not surprised.


Littlefinger and Sansa at the tourney – One of my favorite shots. Sophie Turner, with her auburn hair, looks absolutely perfect as Sansa. Aidan Gillen as Littlefinger is also spot-on. I think the girl sitting to Sophie’s left is Maisie Williams.


Kit Harington as Jon Snow – Kit is looking a lot scruffier than I expected. He looks great though. This is clearly at the Mahgeramorne quarry set.


Maisie Williams and Isaac Hempstead-Wright on set – Love this shot. These two are having so much fun. And they look great as Arya and Bran! Is that Bean in the background?


Sean Bean as Ned Stark – Ned looking slightly more put together in this shot than in the ones of him at the execution. I think this might be at a meeting of the small council.


Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister – Dinklage flashing a very Tyrion-like smile. As expected, HBO didn’t really ugly him up. And his blond hair is more a light brown than “so blonde it’s almost white.” But it’s Dinklage as Tyrion. It will be awesome.


Mark Addy and Lena Headey on set – Addy and Headey relaxing between shots. Notice the styrofoam cup in Addy’s hand. Also it looks like we got a pic of our Tommen, Callum Wharry! Him and Myrcella are seated below Robert and Cersei. I think this is from the tourney.


Knight at the tourney – I think this is Ser Hugh of the Vale, but I’m not positive. Note the Baratheon stag in the background.


Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen – Emilia looking beautiful as Dany. Her eyebrows are dark. So what, she looks great. You can also see Elyes Gabel as Jhogo behind her.


The Kingsguard – This might be Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister in his Kingsguard armor. In a change from the books, this armor seems more gold than white. What will the Goldcloaks armor look like?


Lannister men-at-arms – A shot of some extras standing around on set. They look to be Lannister men, judging by the color of their costumes.


Night’s Watch extras – I think these are extras from the Night’s Watch scenes. They could also be from Winterfell. The fur definitely suggests this scene is set in the North.


Michelle Fairley as Catelyn Stark – The haters can now eat crow. Fairley looks great as Catelyn.


The Mountain that Rides – Gregor in his full armor for the tourney. Conan Stevens may or may not be under all that plate. I can’t be sure because he’s not bare-chested.


Knight of Flowers – Loras Tyrell in his tourney armor. Finn Jones was not lying when he tweeted about how unique his armor design was.

That’s all for now. Check Westeros for some great screen caps from the teaser video.

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149 Comments

  1. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    First! And most psyched!!!

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  2. Dukayn
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Like I said in my email, my work PC is a bit of a clunker so sorry about the low-res pics.

    Hi-res caps to follow if the demand is there once I get home :)

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  3. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Would it have been really that hard for the production team to follow research and design well enough and stick with the description, seriouslly *sigh*. Did George even say “Ugh, the dragon has only two legs and two wings…”?

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  4. Leah
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Scott,

    I thought GRRM said HBO was doing their own designs because of copyright issues?

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  5. Fire And Blood
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    LOVE the Targaryen banner. That version is better than any I’ve seen before. Very Yin/Yang.

    I’m claiming it for my avatar, natch. ;-D

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  6. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Leah,

    I htink he meant for the swords and such already produced. Don’t quote me on this, but I don’t see any reason why HBO can’t take the written descriptions in the books as inspiration for their armor/weapons. Either way, I sure think they have gotten it right so far!
    BTW Thanks HBO for such a treat! Its been quite a wait, but you did a great job including almost all of the main principles that we have all been waiting so long to see and not only did you show them to us, but you hit a grandslam regarding the look of the characters for the series!

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  7. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    A few screen caps:

    Knight of Flowers – http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5204/knightofflowers.jpg

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  8. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

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  9. Ser_not_appearing
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Viserys looks way cooler than I imagined while reading, lol.

    Not too bothered about banners etc. Its never been something which interested me much.

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  10. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

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  11. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

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  12. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping to see better quality looking costumes. They all look like they are wearing renaissance festival faire. The same stuff you see on people who dress up for such festivals. I was hoping to see quality in the likes of the costumes seen from the designer of The Tudors on Showtime. I understand that the time periods are different…but the costume in GOT look to shoddy. It was like watching a step up from Heath Ledgers “A Knights tale” costuming.

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  13. Nicole
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Robb Stark <3

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  14. Dukayn
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    williamhperkins,

    Wait, you’re posting screencaps in the comments of a post about screencaps? :P

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  15. Avalanche3319
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m a little surprised Tyrion is clean shaven.

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  16. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I really like how Viserys looks. The silver/white hair is working way better than I expected it to.

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  17. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    The places look superb, and the cast looks just nearly as I pictured. I do say Fairly looks a little better than I pictured from her photos online. But I still would have prefered Ehle. Emilia looks beautiful as Daenerys and will only look even more beautiful as she comes more into her character!

    Robb looks great. I wish he had his own POV

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  18. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Dukayn,

    Well, yeah… they’re screencaps that haven’t been posted.

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  19. Leah
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Lord Ned’s Head,

    Ah, thanks. All the press for the show is mashed together in my brain. I have no doubt TPTB will be asked about it at some point, so I’m sure we’ll get an answer eventually.

    I’m much more of a visual learner, so written word descriptions are hellish for me to remember. I’m amazed you guys can even recall what that stuff looks like.

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  20. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Wow. I could cry. This is making my heart sing! This is what I’ve been waiting for.

    Arya and Bran are like images popped out of my head. They look perfect. I imagined Robb’s hair longer and Jorah’s shorter, but I am totally happy with how they look.

    Dany is the best, however. I’m just speechless. What flawless casting.

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  21. Tysnow
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Scott,

    They are going for realism not high fantasy, and anyway as others have mentioned, seeing a making of clip and then watching the finished product is a whole other ballgame. You have to remember that you are watching something taken with a camcorder not a high rez film camera. When you have the lighting and then add all the post production work you will notice the difference.
    I love the armor costumes so far, Loras (I figure that is a rose on that stem atop the helment, The Mountain is as I pictured from the books (he is not one for ornateness, his is practical). My negative is Dany’s dark eyebrows, though I love the rest of her look, and Robert’s costume at the Tourney, I think it looks cheap, should have been more extravagant.

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  22. Sleeky
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    About the Dothraki screencap:

    Dothraki. A group of Dothraki riding through a field. Note that this is the field of willows that was talked about as a filming location. It seems this is the only Dany scene that has been filmed so far.”

    I’m confused. I always thought the Dothraki Sea was more like a cross between the African Savanna and the Russian Steppes. This “Field of Willows” looks like just a couple of steps down from a Jungle.

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  23. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Avalanche3319,

    Tyrion is clean-shaven in book one. He doesn’t grow a beard until sometime between the first and second book. He likely starts growing it when he starts travelling with Bronn, as he’s on the road with no time to shave. Perhaps when he arrives at his father’s camp, he decides he likes the look, and keeps it.

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  24. Dukayn
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    williamhperkins,

    Not posted yet. I capped a lot more shots from the video, they just aren’t uploaded and posted in the article yet. Hence why they are saying ‘stay tuned as I upload them’ ;-)

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  25. Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Why is Gregor using both hands? Isn’t he supposed to one-hand two-hand swords? Or is it just that he CAN one-hand them?

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  26. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    What you see is what your getting, the costumes ARE NOT going to get treatment with CGI. I know this isn’t high fantasy. That’s a ignorant thing to say. If you do enough research and love historical garb you can’t honestly tell me this looks the part. It looks like cheap costuming. Much like you see in ‘A Knights tale”.

    If you really wanted realism they would have looked to hiring a costume designer that would know or research the periods of history in garb George got influence from. Not by looking at costuming sites for festivals and upscale reanactment groups.

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  27. Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    No Jaime or Joffrey in this production trailer, right? I was looking forward to seeing them as well.

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  28. Snowfell
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Sleeky: I always thought the Dothraki Sea was more like a cross between the African Savanna and the Russian Steppes.This “Field of Willows” looks like just a couple of steps down from a Jungle.

    Well, it’s not like the Dothraki Sea would start from the very doorstep of the seaside Free Cities? They aren’t going to Malta for jungle locations.

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  29. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    90% of all of the new material looks great.

    They veered off on some things. Like the targs sigil dragon only have 2 legs instead of 4. The Baratheon Sigil LOOKS GREAT. The stark sigil now with a higher res close up looks good. And angry and has a more dark age art feel, still looks like an angry golden retreiver at play with its broad chest short legs and curled tale like a husky. The Aryn sigil looks to contemporary but eh, I was expecting more period style. First and foremost I need to realize this is a fantasy world that had a great amount of influence from history in OUR world by George.
    Yes, I noticed they didn’t at least bleach or dye Emelia’s eyebrows. You would think production crews would learn from mistakes others have made. *cough*legolas in lotr*cough*

    I think the costuming is going to be one of the greatest contention with fans

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  30. userj
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    DragonStargazer,

    http://elabrevadero.com/nueva-promo-y-making-of-de-juego-de-tronos/ Jaime is in full (AWESOME LOOKING) armor, still 14/16 in this site. I think I still see him smirking under the helmet. lol.

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  31. ES
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    I have a cousin who has light blond hair and naturally dark eyebrows. I don’t think Danny’s are a problem.

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  32. Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I mentioned this in the other thread, but probably the only thing that’s going to change in post-production is the color. Still, for me that’s the only gripe I have about Robert’s costume.

    I think we’re going to see a wide range of reactions as things get more and more nailed down, and it’s going to depend on what your predilections are. I’m more concerned about the relationships than the costumes, banners, etc. So, I’m not really going to have a big opinion one way or the other until we get some actual dialogue.

    Still, judging from the “Raven” trailer, the look isn’t going to distract me from the story, and that was my main concern.

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  33. Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Sleeky,

    i beg to difer..one have saw a jungle only after seeing Amazonia…that field don’t comes even close to a forest or jungle at all

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  34. Scott
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m not concerned about the scripting or characters at all. Thats in great hands. my concern was knowing the history of some of the production design staff.

    If anyone cares. I captured some stills from the new teaser. Some good shots of THE BANNERS. I have others shots. But seems those with the actors are getting posted first.

    http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/bwolfheart/GOT/

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  35. durandal
    Posted September 12, 2010 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    The guy they show at 0:33 in the “making off” could just be an extra or HBO has lied to us and casted William Hurt as “the Blackfish”. :-) Might be a coincidence but Weiss say’s the word black just when he gets in the picture. It’s getting late…

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  36. Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    I can’t believe there’s still bitching. Some people are so difficult to please.

    Me? We’ve got our first look at Tyrion in costume, not to mention Robert, Cersei, the Stark kids, Catelyn…this couldn’t be better.

    Actually, it could. It could be the actual series.

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  37. furrever
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Very pleased with everything I saw. The “raven” trailer looks superb. I was absolutely thrilled with the cinematic look, coloring, and style.

    I was a little disappointed with the costume quality. Like Scott, I was hoping the wardrobe would be more on par with that of Showtime’s The Tudors, which in my opinion is some of the best medieval costuming I’ve ever seen.

    Having said that, the time period of Henry VIII (1500s) is much more modern (they had rifles after all) than the War of Roses time period (1400s) which inspired GRRM’s ASoIaF. So perhaps the costuming was more inline with 1400s attire? Someone who knows more of the subject will have to weigh in on this as I admit to knowing very little. Still, historically accurate or not, this is Westeros, not Earth. So I suppose we should have no preconceptions of how fancy the clothing should look. But at the very least you’d think the royal family would look more decked out.

    I agree that the platinum hair on Emilia Clarke and Harry Lloyd looks way better than I imagined. In fact, I assumed HBO would tone down the platinum description from the books and make Viserys and Daenerys blonds for fear the platinum hair would look cheesy. However, they totally pulled it off IMHO. And Emilia Clarke as Daenerys is a vision. No regrets about her casting at all.

    Michelle Fairley as Catelyn Stark looks (surprisingly) great as well. They got the auburn hair and stoic look perfect. Very pleasantly surprised. Again, everything look just superb and as close to perfect as I could have reasonably hoped for.

    P.S. Is it just me or does the Knight of Flowers’ helm look kind of like an onion? Not complaining, just sayin’.

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  38. Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    furrever: P.S. Is it just me or does the Knight of Flowers’ helm look kind of like an onion? Not complaining, just sayin’.  

    Totally like an onion.

    Heh, thanks a lot, furrever. That’s all I’m going to be able to see now. ;)

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  39. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    furrever: P.S. Is it just me or does the Knight of Flowers’ helm look kind of like an onion? Not complaining, just sayin’. 

    Ser Davos moved up to season one confirmed.

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  40. Zinn APHoW
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Scott: Would it have been really that hard for the production team to follow research and design well enough and stick with the description, seriouslly *sigh*. Did George even say “Ugh, the dragon has only two legs and two wings…”?  Quote  Reply

    My guess is, there’s so much fan art floating around on the internet, they have to change the look of the banners slightly from the descriptions in the book so there’s no chance one of the fan-artists will try to sue the production team, claiming that they’re ripping off the fan-artist’s “original work.”

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  41. sjwenings
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    Happy about the armour, at least! Phew!

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  42. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Okay, I got a lot of screen shots from both teaser and behind the scenes video (high resolution). You can find them here:

    http://www.fireandblood.com/2010/09/escena-por-escena-del-teaser-2-de-got/
    http://www.fireandblood.com/2010/09/escena-por-escena-del-detras-de-camaras-de-game-of-thrones/

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  43. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Michelle Fairly as Catelyn is seriously making my day. There was so much hate going on when they cast her and I admit that I was a little skeptical as well. Then I saw her in Misfits and the way she commanded the attention of the camera with those intense eyes of hers made me re-think that. Now … well, there’s not a lot to go by, but from what I’ve seen she sure makes a beautiful, matronly Catelyn.

    And I almost died from the cuteness of the footage and screencap of Isaac (Bran) and Maisie (Arya).

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  44. Miss
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    I dunno, “matronly” doesn’t seem like a stereotypical choice for Catelyn to you guys? At all? Oh well, whatever. I am mostly pleased with everyone else, Jorah Mormont being a surprising pleaser for me.

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  45. furrever
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Ser Davos moved up to season one confirmed.    

    LOL. When I first saw this on tv tonight I seriously thought for split second “is that the onion knight?” Then a I quickly realized that not only is Davos not in book 1, but there’s no way he could afford such lavish armor.

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  46. furrever
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    paulgude:
    Totally like an onion.
    Heh, thanks a lot, furrever. That’s all I’m going to be able to see now.     

    Sorry, I hope I haven’t spoiled it for you!

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  47. Steve B
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Oddly, wouldn’t you think a hot Hollywood style actress would have been more cliche for Catelyn?

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  48. Miss
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    Erm, well it’s not like the only two kinds of actresses out there are “Hollywood” and “matronly”, buuuuut I’m not going to get into this argument, my fault for even going there. Let’s enjoy the footage.

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  49. Avalanche3319
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Anna Backstrom,

    Great shots Anna, thank you! Any chance you can get one of the “Game of Thrones” with the sword for the T at the end of the Raven trailer? I’m thinking that’s my new background…

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  50. Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Wow!!!

    Just got home, and am overwhelmed by all of this at once. I’m still soaking it in, but overall I’m ecstatic.

    -I LOVE the Targaryen banner
    -The Stark banner has grown on me, the others are cool too
    -Arya and Bran are SO perfect! Catelyn looks excellent, Robb Looks perfect, King Robert looks formidable! Ned Stark looks so badass!
    -Emilia Clarke is simply beautiful as Dany.

    Jon Snow looked a little different than I expected, but in a good way! The Raven was awesome! The helmets and armour looked amazing.

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  51. Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    furrever: Sorry, I hope I haven’t spoiled it for you!  

    Haha, not at all! But, you totally called it.

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  52. Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:56 am | Permalink

    Everything looks great except Michelle Fairley.

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  53. silverjaime
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Anna Backstrom,

    Fantastic screencaps! Thanks for this!
    Not being overwhelmed by the costumes and wigs though – looking very “wiggy” to me. (I can tell this is the wooden pavilion I saw at Shane’s Castle – the stand for the tourney.) Also Littlefinger – doesn’t seem to have any kind of pointed beard at all – I can see a moustache and a light sprinking of bristle but not a beard. And Gillen looks like he’s wearing a zip-up jacket!
    I love Catelyn – she’s exactly how I imagined her – brilliant bone-structure and those deep-set eyes. And Ser Mormont – again, exactly as I saw him!
    Overall I like the look of the sets – especially Castle Black. As for the Raven teaser – beautifully filmed, but didn’t get goosebumps like I did with the first teaser. Can’t wait to see them all in action though!

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  54. Posted September 13, 2010 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Lots of people make the same mistake about the Targ banner. The original banners in the back of AGoT itself have the six-limbed version as well. Even the US cover for ADWD has a six-limbed dragon on it, and IIRC GRRM has said that, since it’s been 150 years since the last dragons lived in Westeros, lots of people, artists and heraldry-makers in Westeros itself have made the same mistake.

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  55. Posted September 13, 2010 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    Also, Jaime still wore his gold armour in Book 1 rather than the Kingsguard armour. Ned comments on it a few times. And the Dany scene is probably when they are passing through the Forest of Qohor, before they get to the Dothraki sea.

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  56. Avalanche3319
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    But in the book Jamie had his own personal golden armor. The armor he is wearing in this footage is the exact same as the armor of several other knights. You can see one directly behind Jaime in his screen cap, and two in this picture.
    http://www.fireandblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/071.jpg

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  57. Snowfell
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    The fact that there’s exactly same designed armours behind the duelers in the Vale quite proves the golden armoured guys surely aren’t Kingsguard cause there shouldn’t be any in the Vale. But there shouldn’t be Goldcloaks either?

    So I’d say those knights are some more or less random guys, and Coster-Waldau is simply missing from the trailer.

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  58. jaybe
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    I think it’s not the Kingsguard but the goldcloak.
    Sure this one looks like Nikolaj.
    But the same armor appear in the tournment. In the clegane vs clegane scene, and I remember goldcloak’s being in charge of that duty…

    And I also expect Jaime to be more impressive than Loras in armor.

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  59. Sekhmet
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    @Scott, oh wah. Fanboy wahs! It looks great. Most people associate dragons with having 4 legs, so it’s not a big deal. Costumes look just fine. It’s idiots like you who bring the rest of us down.

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  60. m4st4
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    ”Gregor in his full armor for the tourney. Conan Stevens may or may not be under all that plate. I can’t be sure because he’s not bare-chested.”

    HAHAHA…great comment!

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  61. Kelsier
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Anna Backstrom,

    Thanks for those stills Anna!

    Not liking the desaturated nature of the teaser, I tried to get back some colour in three of those shots:

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394639/large

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394670/large

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394653/large

    There was not too much to work with and I’m not exactly a postprocessing whizkid, so surely there’s fans out there that can do better…

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  62. Kelsier
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Kelsier: Anna Backstrom,
    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394639/largehttp://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394670/largehttp://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394653/large    

    Huh, don’t know why the first two links won’t work? Please just click the last one and from there go one ‘previous’ and one ‘next’ in the gallery…

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  63. Kelsier
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Sorry for the bad 1st and 2nd link above, here they are again:

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394639/large

    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394670/large

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  64. Bashful82
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    This is looking excellent!

    In respect of the costumes and “The Tudors”, we need to remember that this was not medieval England. Those clothing were more common for the Renaissance and given that George said that he took his inspiration from the era of the War of the Roses/Henry V, I think the clothing is quite appropriate. In any case, this is not the final product and these things always look much better after all the work is carried out.

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  65. Posted September 13, 2010 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    I am really, REALLY surprised no one has mentioned this yet but….where are the purple eyes? Viserys and Dany (from what I can see) don’t have them.

    Otherwise, they both look stunning. Perfect.

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  66. Ashli
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    There’s a better picture of Myrcella and Tommen when they do the flash of several scenes at the end. I believe it’s at 1:25 and it really is a great shot of them.

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  67. Posted September 13, 2010 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Stella Maris,

    I noticed that too, but purple eyes could be added in post-production (not sure if this is a common method or not).

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  68. Posted September 13, 2010 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Life is good! Thank you HBO, and thank you WiC! I love how the actors blend into their characters so well that you kinda can’t see the actor – I’ve seen their pics a thousand times, and yet they just MELD into another person in costume. Brilliant.
    King Robert is a little clownish – I think the outfit maybe is SUPPOSED to make him look like a (“poserish”) joke? He is, afterall, the guy made himself king and then had to BE the king, whether he had thought it out or not.
    TYRION = win. Grin-win. OMG he’s gonna steal the show. Go get ‘em TL!
    DANY =win. Mega win. I could stare at that beautiful girl for hours. She’s ethereal. And overwhelmed. It says so much about how her story begins…
    VISERYS = beautiful. He’s gorgeous, even if he is a little craphead. Very regal. I see ‘fallen from grace’ there. Scrappy too!
    ROBB= cute. Like to see more.
    CERSEI= mega-bitch. I think of ATIA from Rome, and whodat? It’s HER and more! Look at that expression! She knows who she wants dead, and will likely get it.
    JAIME= yes, that’s him on the horse, arriving at Winterfell I believe. This is the scene where Bran thinks Jaime is the king, because of his dress and his carriage and athleticism. Looks great. Intimidating, cocky.
    CATELYN= I see fragile and yet, quick to anger/impulsive (war flashback: this is my old boss irl. Fucking nutjob, hated me like Jon Snow) Oh yes, she will be excellent.
    GREGOR= frightening
    Knight of Flowers= fantasy-esque. Surprised/happy that they’ll push this envelope.

    Overall, I was expecting more T & A, if you catch my drift. Where are the low-cut bodices etc? Hmm.. probably tba…

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  69. Posted September 13, 2010 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Stella Maris,

    Purple eyes can be added in post.

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  70. Posted September 13, 2010 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Hey guys, I tried to sort the characters as we see them in all the new videos (Eddard, Robert and Tyrion rule the game) http://westeros.ru/?p=5217

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  71. Posted September 13, 2010 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Steve Adams & dizzy_34,

    Yes, true, but why aren’t her eyes purple in the released still, then? You’d think for an official still they would add that one detail if it’s going to be like that in the show….

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  72. Posted September 13, 2010 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    WiC: good call on the samurai armor being lannister. check out the pics of tyrion and see how his color matches + bottom part of his coat looks a bit like samurai armor. i would even go as far as to say that jaimie’s armor approaches the shogun style somewhat…

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  73. Posted September 13, 2010 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Are you sure it’s Jon Snow and not Luke McEwan as Rast?

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  74. geekcore
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    There’s too much bitching in this thread and not enough noticing that Sandor goddamn Clegane is in the background of the Bran-fighting-Tommen shot. (Well, the lower half of him, anyway.)

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  75. Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Pretty happy with everything I’ve seen. Like a lot of people I was initially a little disapointed in the costumes (especially Roberts) but I know they will look better on screen.

    Did anyone put a name to this guy? I’ve seen a few people asking but no answers.

    I initially thought it was the Old Bear but I don’t think it’s James Cosmo.

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  76. Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Agreed with you on Dany – I could stare at her (and Viserys) for hours. Seriously, I am just too excited. Tyrion = win. Ned = WOW.

    GoT is my big something to look forward to after a LONG, white Canadian winter. I’m gonna have a viewing party, must work on mythology-appropriate appetizers… ideas?

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  77. JH
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I’m having flashbacks to discussions about Elves at Helm’s Deep, Spider-Man with “organic” (not mechanical) webshooters and Wolverine in a black-leather jumpsuit. Unfortunately.

    Everything we’ve seen looks great to me.

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  78. Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    http://www.fireandblood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/44.jpg

    Who are them? Ok, three extras, but who are them?

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  79. Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Ana Carolina S.,

    They, sorry…

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  80. Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Amazing. Do I have a few issues with a couple things? Sure. But OMG look at all those actors in costume!!!

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  81. Ser_not_appearing
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if rimshot was in any of these!

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  82. ablaaa
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Three things:

    1) Michelle Fairley’s age definitely shows.

    2) Sansa looks way too bland.

    3) Yes, costumes seem a bit under-par.

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  83. ablaaa
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    ablaaa,

    but everything else is thumbs-up from me.

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  84. Posted September 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    I love the character design and overall feel, very close to what I had imagined, and in some cases even better. Hopefully we’ll see more of the developer diaries as they come along.
    If anyone wants the videos to download you can grab them here:
    In Production
    Raven Preview

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  85. BolleHenk
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    That’s probably Barristan.

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  86. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    BolleHenk: Mormegil, That’s probably Barristan.  Quote  Reply

    I did wonder if it was but I doubt they have filmed any Barristan footage that doesn’t have him in his Kingsguard armour yet.

    The grey clothing suggests he’s something to with the North/Winterfell.

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  87. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    One of the “Night Watch Extras” is Rast, the one with the huge black fuzzy shoulders, short hair, and reddish beard. Luke McEwan confirmed it on Twitter.

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  88. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    paulgude: Totally like an onion. Heh, thanks a lot, furrever. That’s all I’m going to be able to see now.   Quote  Reply

    I thought so too but maybe it’s supposed to represent a rosebud.
    That’s what I’ll try to picture in my head anyways. Love the armor though. Very Knight of Flowers!

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  89. ewan
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Mormegil:
    I did wonder if it was but I doubt they have filmed any Barristan footage that doesn’t have him in his Kingsguard armour yet.The grey clothing suggests he’s something to with the North/Winterfell.    

    Mormegil,

    I agree with the guy on the other post who reckons that’s a pretty aged-up Joseph Mawle as Benjen.

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  90. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Raynette Schroeder: I thought so too but maybe it’s supposed to represent a rosebud.

    Oh, thanks, Raynette!

    Of course that’s what it is. It must be. The onion image can now be retired from my head.

    Hopefully!

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  91. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    ewan: Mormegil, Mormegil, I agree with the guy on the other post who reckons that’s a pretty aged-up Joseph Mawle as Benjen.  Quote  Reply

    I’m guessing Jon will look about forty in Season 2 then if that’s what joining the NW does for your looks.

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  92. Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    ewan,

    If it is Benjen, why he is not in black?
    (I do not think its Benjen, way too old).

    Stop it with onions, please :D I have been laughing for ten minutes.
    Poor Loras! It is rosebud.

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  93. rorschach-
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Why when anyone says even a bit negative thing about the series he/she is immediatly painted as “fanboy” or “whiner”… gosh with you. Without creative critisism there wouldn’t be any improvements. And then I can get to the point…. of whining.

    I have to agree that costumes seem bit too bland for royals to use, now they look bit too much like any other commoner. I’m no fashion designer so I can’t say anything about cuts or sewings of the clothes but at least the trailers/behindscenes color scheme seemed to dull much of the colors. Now Sansas dress looks as the same color as the Lannisters men-at-arms. Though the HBO mixed trailer showed Ned in allmost every color of the rainbow so can’t say anything yet for sure.

    But then we get to mister onionhead, Gregor that looks like a bottleneck of my beer and Kingsguards flying whale style. I’m bit horrified what helmet they are going to show next :D They are not bad but could have been way better. Not quite sure yet what to think about Lannister(?) samurai armor, like the feeling of easy to put on, easy to produce for soldiers, but is it too different when comparing fullplate knights? Can’t say for sure. Also feared that dothraki leather-nakedness would be too much of 300, but didn’t get too many manlove vibes yet so I think I’m cool with it.

    Loved Arya and Bran, loved down to earth feeling in soldier armor and peasant clothes. Tyrion and Hound look good, no overdoing there. Other actors look much like their characters too. Many nice little details that have been considered.

    I bet this is going to be great show.

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  94. ALAN COLE
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Scott,

    I think the costumes are AMAZING!!!!!!!!! They suit the mood and Genre of the books perfectly. It’s not like these people are travelling by car or plane, come on! Just look in the history books they are much more true to the type of life these people are leading.
    I think the look of the whole thing is great, exactly how I would picture it, I can’t wait to see more!!!!

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  95. ewan
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    I’d say it is black, albeit faded and worn, rather than as black as priest’s socks.

    And the more I look at it, going by the set of the eyes and nose, the more I think it must be Mawle – it’s hard to see how it’s any of the other actors.

    Looking at this picture in particular, if you dye the hair and beard to grey, they’re very alike. Why they’ve done it, I’ve no idea.

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  96. Tysnow
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Is there a super Hi-Res video out there yet for screen captures, like last time and are we getting a frame by frame analysis eventually.

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  97. Tysnow
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Concerning the Kingsguard armor, and yes the Oblivion dudes are the Kinsguard, per Rimshot who was there filming. I think the three ridges on the helms represent the three heads of the dragon, but they also serve a battlefield function in protecting the main part of the helm from taking too severe a hit, sort of like reactive armor on a modern tank, deflecting the blows.

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  98. Posted September 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Loved the trailer. Love the banner treatment. I have done a fair bit of research into medieval clothing and I must say, the costumes look pretty good to me. This is a grungy, realistic-ish setting, not some cheap high fantasy re-tread. I always had the impression that Martin was going for something more authentic with regards to the setting being inspired by medieval Europe. Look into it. I think you’ll find the same thing. They went with authenticity over flash on this one, and I say good on ‘em.

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  99. Leofric
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    ewan: The Rabbit, I’d say it is black, albeit faded and worn, rather than as black as priest’s socks.And the more I look at it, going by the set of the eyes and nose, the more I think it must be Mawle – it’s hard to see how it’s any of the other actors.Looking at this picture in particular, if you dye the hair and beard to grey, they’re very alike. Why they’ve done it, I’ve no idea.  Quote  Reply

    I think it is Benjen, if you look at the casting page pictuce of Mawle, he has same crease between his eyes. I think they they changed his hair to match Sean Bean’s coloring .

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  100. ablaaa
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    I think the argument that “that’s just the way clothes looked like in medieval Europe” is stupid.

    First of all, the fact that the series is loosely based on a historical event from Europe’s medieval history does not mean that every detail has to be in accord with said event’s details.

    Second, GRRM leaves little to assume, seeing that he has already described who wears what, and what looks how, in his books. The way I read it, the clothes in question are much more vivid, much more colorful than what we see in these shots.

    Just my $.02

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  101. Kharn
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    About Lannisters and their orient looking armor… has anyone noted that those three supposed Lannister guards have swords with curved hilts? :)

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  102. Tysnow
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    I think the reason for the Kingsguard armor, is that the designer wanted to give us a glimpse of the Targaryen world and what their armor would look like.
    I love the helmets with the three ridges symbolizing the three heads of the dragon and the battlefield practicality as the ridges are like the reactive armor on a tank and deflect incoming head blows.

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  103. Chris
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow,

    I think that makes sense. Maybe King’s Landing in general is going to have a bit of a Asian influence, derived from the Targaryens. The Targaryen banner in the show is definitely pretty Asian looking, with the dragons and the style. That would account for why the city watch / Kingsguard MIGHT have that look.

    The problem is that the Lannister guards look even more like Samurais…

    I think they look cool either way and personally, those types of stylistic changes don’t both me too much… it does seem kind of almost “anti-Lannister” though.

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  104. Entchen
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I think overall this looks great. I agree that I’m not 100% thrilled with the costumes, but my issue is mostly with the armor — the eastern influence in the Lannister guards and the Kingsguard just seems random and thrown in.

    I also hope that old guy isn’t supposed to be Benjen — he’s Ned’s younger brother, and I always imagined him as quite attractive.

    Oh well. We’ll see.

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  105. Posted September 13, 2010 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow,

    I believe there is no mention of any deliberate targaryen symbolism in the kingsguard armour. It would be very strange if their was since King Robert is trying to eradicate the Targaryens ‘root and branch’, hiding away the dragon skulls etc. I wouldn’t think Robert would want such reminders around him, especially on the Kingsguard.
    And as for the reactive armour element of the kingsguard helmets due to the three ‘ridges’; this would be a very poor design for deflecting blows to the head. Any blow to the head would be ‘collected’ by the ridges either side of the central one and transfer all the force into the join of ridge and helm- more or less fatal with a heavy axe.
    The same applies to the Mountain’s great helm- a flat-topped crusader style helm that was popular until the warhammer began to rise in prominence on the battlefield. One heavy, well placed swing with a warhammer to the top of a flat topped helm would crush it like a beer can… but since this is the Mountain we are talking about, the chances of anyone reaching the top of his head is highly unlikely.

    My own opinion as to why they have gone down the nasal helm route rather than the classical bascinet (visored) helm would be through practical considerations- the actors playing kingsguard knights have prominent speaking roles and must be able to emote through their costume – not something easy to do when your whole face is covered. The same principle comes to mind to counter the complaints that the armour isn’t impressive enough (ie full plate). Regardless of what people have seen in video games and in movies- knights spent the barest of time afoot in their armour- aside from the huge weight, doing anything with precision or deftness, or even bending or sitting, would be impossible. Seeing those seven kingsguard knights shambling around in full armour all of the time would look completely ridiculous.

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  106. Ashli
    Posted September 13, 2010 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    I have GOT to have a screengrab of Ned beheading the deserter (from 1:53-1:55 in the Upcoming Programs trailer).

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  107. Posted September 14, 2010 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    brief thoughts (mostly gushyish):

    jon= my next age inappropriate crush. holy buckets.

    catelyn- nail, head. hit. it.

    cersei- L O V E the hair from the tourney, can’t wait to see more ostentatious cersei. i always had cersei in mind as like an aging bridget bardot type, but i think they may be headed for a more white witch/tilda swinton look for her. at least that’s what i thought, and if that’s true, i can get behind it.

    viserys- can’t wait, really. love the hair.

    tyrion- already in love.

    dany- need to see her in motion, walking, talking. not to be withholding, i just love dany the most, so i am just being patient with my praise. emelia looks very beautiful, however.

    ned- sean bean is the only one there ever was for ned, so, like with peter dinklage, i can’t help but be very, very fangirlish and thrilled.

    costumes- too fast and furious to tell much. i think the look of the raven trailer was meant to be somber and doubt the whole affair will be as muted. asian style armor for the lannisters? for really reals? that could be way cool. slight note of concern about that first shot of cersei with the pinkish dress and the long locks, but as with dany, i am just going to be patient and wait and see.

    excited for more littlefinger, varys, lysa, sansa, arya. everybody. jamie! jamie is another super fave (up there with dany for me) and i am excited to see him.

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  108. Posted September 14, 2010 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Hi everybody! I’m back with more screenshots. Now from the “Upcoming Programs Fall/Winter 2010″ video:
    http://www.fireandblood.com/2010/09/hbo-upcoming-programs-fallwinter-2010-screenshots/
    I love the color. I Hope they use this toning instead the one used on the Raven’s teaser.

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  109. Kelsier
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Anna Backstrom,
    I think somebody already posted those, but thanks nonetheless.

    As discussed at length yesterday, the toning of the Raven’s teaser is definitely not final, but was simply introduced to set a continuous (dark) mood throughout the different scenes. In case you missed this, I tried to get some colour back in three of the shots you posted yesterday, and here’s my best effort:
    http://www.pbase.com/gbleek/image/128394653
    (the other two can be found in that gallery before and after this image)
    Not nearly as pleasing as the colours in the ‘Upcoming Programs’ bit, but there wasn’t much to work with, and I can only manage basic photoshop postprocessing…

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  110. Josie Linton
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    The trailer is fantastic, i’m so so excited. The armour is fab and I think Michelle as Cat is a perfect choice. The costumes I believe are really really good. They look so authentic and having rewatched the trailer about a million times I think the detail that has gone into them is fantastic.
    The whole thing looks AWESOME!

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  111. Rossonado
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    Scott,
    I love everything I have seen so far in casting except for one huge issue. King Robert. Bearing in mind both the history of westeros and the current conflict stems from Roberts war, and his death, his casting is awful. He should be a giant of a man, bold and fearsome – even now he is old and overweight. Addy simply doesnt portray that. He is the weak link in the show. Costumes look poor given Martin spends pages telling us how bright the armor is. How rich the costumes in kings landing. It looks like a medieval set, not the fantasy George wrote.

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  112. Otis
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    Scott,

    Please! The costumes on The Tudors looked shop bought! These costumes have at least a sense of realism. I think they look gritty and the whole thing looks exactly the way I imagined it.

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  113. Thomas
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    Alex Webster: Tysnow,
    The same principle comes to mind to counter the complaints that the armour isn’t impressive enough (ie full plate). Regardless of what people have seen in video games and in movies- knights spent the barest of time afoot in their armour- aside from the huge weight, doing anything with precision or deftness, or even bending or sitting, would be impossible. Seeing those seven kingsguard knights shambling around in full armour all of the time would look completely ridiculous.    

    I’m afraid that’s not really accurate. It is possible for a modern man to complete an obstacle course wearing full plate armour, they’d just be a little tired at the end of it if they weren’t that fit. The weight was never an issue since its distributed over the entire body. In fact, the modern soldier carries more weight into battle, most of which is on his back.

    Armour was designed to be flexible around the joints, you could get a surprising amount of movement when wearing it. You had to have this, otherwise it’d be worthless in combat. Knights of the age were also very accustomed to the weight of their armour and spent just as much time fighting afoot than on horse back. I’m not sure you where you got the notion that this was not the case – a horse isn’t much good for scaling walls and sieges played a large role in medieval warfare.

    The idea that when knocked off his feet a knight was helpless is a myth. He just got back up again, and could do so pretty quickly too.

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  114. Posted September 14, 2010 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    in defense of the costumes…. While I don’t like bland colours of the dresses I think that Catelyn’s traveling grab is just perfect and Sansa’s tourney dress is of extraordinary design (Just look at the wonderful details on that one).

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  115. Tysnow
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Alex Webster,

    Yes if the blow was coming from the front, but if the blow is a side blow or the knight just turns his head a little so that a frontal blow strikes the ridge at a more perpendicular angle the the ridges would be effective. I agree with the more Spartan style open face as we need to see the facial emotions of the Kingsguard.

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  116. Tysnow
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Thomas,

    I concur with that analysis, I watch a history channel program where the constructed an exact 15th century armor replica, weight and all from a piece in a museum. They had a former SAS dude don the armor and perform actions in it similar to a knight, he ran about 2/3 full speed in it, crouched, bent over, turned around, fell down and got back up just as quick, so this business of the lumbering restricted knight is a myth.

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  117. Crystal Sky
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Tysnow,

    Apparently you guys are right! According to Wikipedia full armour is around 60 lb / 27 kg compared to modern 90 lb. That’s so strange. The story that always stuck in my mind was that of Sir Lancelot who was thrown off the horse and because his armour was so heavy he had to get someone to carry him in a cart back to the castle…

    Source: Armour

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  118. Roger
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Didn’t the Night’s Watch trainees wear mail in their sparring? I seem to recall that being mentioned in one of Jon’s chapters.

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  119. Roger
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Richard A. Forsyth: Loved the trailer.Love the banner treatment.I have done a fair bit of research into medieval clothing and I must say, the costumes look pretty good to me.This is a grungy, realistic-ish setting, not some cheap high fantasy re-tread.I always had the impression that Martin was going for something more authentic with regards to the setting being inspired by medieval Europe.Look into it.I think you’ll find the same thing.They went with authenticity over flash on this one, and I say good on ‘em.    

    The only real reply I have to this is ‘lol wut’. Most of the armour has more to do with Dragon Age than medieval Europe. The clothing is suitably grungy, but in some cases they seem to be trying a little too hard.

    ~

    I’m hoping that the guy in the bronze scale armour is a Dornish fellow. It makes no sense for that to be Jaime.

    Also, what’s with the immense amount of wire on Loras’s tourney armour? All they do is to prevent strikes from glancing off. A lance will transmit most of its force into the armour before breaking because it can’t slide off. That’s a definite disadvantage in a tourney setting.

    Gregor just looks ridiculous. It looks as though someone nicked the prop helmet off one of the Monty Python sets and cobbled the suit together from sheet iron.

    Personally, I expected better from HBO. To be fair, Michael Komarck’s works are my baseline standard of sorts, and that’s a pretty high benchmark.

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  120. Roger
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Kharn,

    Yes. Those are more commonly found on Arabic swords. Not to mention the scabbard design and the tassels.

    FFFFFUUUUUU-

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  121. Blaineo
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Scott,

    I have to say I agree. You’ve said it pretty much it exactly the way I thought it when I saw the trailer. Although I’m not letting it dampen my excitement. Perhaps they will look better quality when it all comes together. Although the design can’t be changed. :( Not a big fan of Robert’s costume.

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  122. Posted September 14, 2010 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    It took me an hour yesterday to cool down again after watching all this material. I’m psyched.

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  123. HouseUmber
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    In the still of the baratheon men marching whose emblem is the rooster? Its on the sheild on the bottom left hand corner.

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  124. TheReader
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering if the supposed Kingsguard aren’t really the city watch (Gold Cloaks) though they aren’t wearing the cloaks.

    Either way, they look good. I was hoping for the emblematic “white cloaks” on the knights but maybe we’ll see that later.

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  125. Posted September 14, 2010 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    HouseUmber: In the still of the baratheon men marching whose emblem is the rooster?Its on the sheild on the bottom left hand corner.    

    The only Rooster heraldry that I know of is House Swyft. They are sworn to Casterly Rock.

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  126. Lyk
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    what is wrong with the targaryens?
    I think both Viserys and Dany are not really accurate… I mean… Dany’s eyebrows are dark (I mean, how hard can it be to change her eyebrows color?), and she hasn’t got that elvish-like supernatural-beauty…

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  127. Posted September 14, 2010 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Thomas:
    I’m afraid that’s not really accurate. It is possible for a modern man to complete an obstacle course wearing full plate armour, they’d just be a little tired at the end of it if they weren’t that fit. The weight was never an issue since its distributed over the entire body. In fact, the modern soldier carries more weight into battle, most of which is on his back.
    Armour was designed to be flexible around the joints, you could get a surprising amount of movement when wearing it. You had to have this, otherwise it’d be worthless in combat.Knights of the age were also very accustomed to the weight of their armour and spent just as much time fighting afoot than on horse back.I’m not sure you where you got the notion that this was not the case – a horse isn’t much good for scaling walls and sieges played a large role in medieval warfare.
    The idea that when knocked off his feet a knight was helpless isa myth. He just got back up again, and could do so pretty quickly too.    

    I was aware that modern soldiers carry a similar amount of weight into battle, in full fighting order, as medieval knights, and I am also aware that suits of armour were designed to articulate to allow a wide range of motion, but I think my original point was lost in the text. A knight, even an ‘on duty bodyguard’ kingsguard knight would not wear full plate armour away from the battlefield- as I said before it would simply be too cumbersome and impractical to wear out and about around the Red Keep! Want to sit at that Small Council table Ser Barristan, better go get out of that Fauld. Need to urinate Ser Boros? Not without your team of squires to unbuckle your codpiece first!

    I also take exception to the claim that Knights fought just as much on foot as on horseback- knights became so pivotal on the medieval battlefield because of they could charge their 2000 pound warhorses into the fray and break the enemy’s line- the first shock troops. The French for knight was chevalier, meaning simply horseman, to highlight this fact.

    A knight without a mount has no height advantage, has no mobility (horses are fast, and can also be used a weapon) is slower in movement and tires quicker than the less armoured men-at-arms he would be surrounded by if pulled from the saddle, and would in all likelihood be butchered in short order by said men-at-arms.
    Chivalry (specifically the ransoming of noble captives) did not apply to the common soldier, and they certainly wouldn’t have held to such a noble ideal as one on one combat- they would have grappled said knight to the ground en mass and killed him where he lay- finding the unprotected areas of his armour and poking him full of holes. Knights knew this, and so tried at all costs NOT to be forced to fight on foot.

    I’m also perplexed by the notion that Knights would have contributed much to siege warfare. Would they have scaled the walls like some kind of badass beserker human tank? Unlikely. Would they help out swinging the battering ram? Probably not. Storming castles was in the main attritional (costly in human terms to both attackers and defenders) and so such a valuable resource as the knight corps would not be risked when their strength- fighting from horseback- could not be utilised to its fullest.

    So I stand by my account: Knights were not invulnerable tanks that excelled in all areas. They were extremely effective when in their element (ahorse and charging en mass) but seriously compromised when not.

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  128. Chris
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I think its funny that there is so much complaining about Dany’s eyebrows, but so many people saying Viserys looks perfect when his eyebrows look darker than hers….

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  129. Posted September 14, 2010 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Tysnow: Alex Webster,
    Yes if the blow was coming from the front, but if the blow is a side blow or the knight just turns his head a little so that a frontal blow strikes the ridge at a more perpendicular angle the the ridges would be effective. I agree with the more Spartan style open face as we need to see the facial emotions of the Kingsguard.    

    The same effect (ridges deflecting blows from a perpendicular angle) could be achieved with just the one ridge, as can be demonstrated by this example of a replication bascinet

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  130. sumdum gai
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    1.) Didn’t know they had foam cups in Westeros, lol.
    2.) Love the Tyrell and Gregor armor. Can’t wait to see The Hound’s.
    3.) Arya is going to be awesome. That little girl doesn’t even have to act, she basically IS Arya.

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  131. corbob
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    If you look closely at the shot of the 3 Lannister men-at-arms you can see the sword hilts are curved in the fashion of a Sabre almost. Also, the shot of the Baratheon men-at-arms in the foreground on the left you can see a shield with a Rooster on it. I can’t remember who’s sigil that is.

    All in all, it looks pretty great so far.

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  132. Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The samurai thing for the Lannisters is pretty weird but actually sort of interesting. I wonder where they even got that idea in the first place. Tyrion looks way too handsome but I could actually roll with that. It would be somewhat amusing if the descriptions in the book of Tyrion were biased. They absolutely nailed Littlefinger. My two main complaints(since I don’t know the script and haven’t seen the acting) is Dany looking too old and Jon’s facial hair.

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  133. NapoleonOfCrime
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    I actually think the Samurai influence on the Lannisters is a wonderful idea, It seems like the kind of the imagery they’d be fond of. Gives them a distinct look.

    Plus, there is just a hint of Feudal Japan in the political structure of Westeros.

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  134. Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    NapoleonOfCrime: influence on the Lannisters is a wonderful idea, It seems like the kind of the imagery they’d be fond of. Gives them a distinct look.

    Plus, there is just a hint of Fe

    I find it more ironic given everything. I do see how the Lannisters would consider themselves honor-bound ,”A Lannister always pays their debts”, so that aspect makes sense. It’s just weird in it’s placement, like one guy thought,” You know what would be cool? If the Lannisters had samurai equipment”.

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  135. NapoleonOfCrime
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    It does seem a little off, but I do think I get where the influence came from. It IS ironic, thats why I find it somewhat fitting.

    I think the biggest issue with it is probably that the Lannisters are meant to be visually evocative of classic “Heroic” knights, with the golden, shining armour etc., as part of the subversion of traditional heroic fantasy archetypes.

    The Kingsguard in general would probably have been a better choice to have Japanese-style armour, due to being established by the Targaryens, who would presumably have a different aesthetic.

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  136. Demokritos
    Posted September 14, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    A thought… Rimshot says they’re Lannister guards, but that doesn’t mean all or most Lannisters will be geared that way. We know the Lannisters are rich and not adverse to hiring sellswords… Perhaps these particular guards are from across the narrow sea?

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  137. Posted September 14, 2010 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Demokritos: A thought… Rimshot says they’re Lannister guards, but that doesn’t mean all or most Lannisters will be geared that way. We know the Lannisters are rich and not adverse to hiring sellswords… Perhaps these particular guards are from across the narrow sea?    

    There’s still this image, which could also be Lannister men, no? They’re wearing red.

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  138. Avalanche3319
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    I may be crazy, or it might just be the angle of the shot, but I’m not sure that’s actually Conan in the Gregor armor. In the picture Finn tweated Conan dwarfed his horse. Either this horse is massive or Conan shrunk.

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  139. Posted September 15, 2010 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    Demokritos,

    If I remember correctly, Jaime’s armor seems slightly samuraish as well.

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  140. Roger
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    Alex Webster,

    Knights fought dismounted a lot of the time, and the classic heavy cavalry charge was not particularly common. It’s a bloody situational thing that requires a certain combination of enemy incompetence and good ground to succeed. Dismount your knights, however, and you have a body of well-trained, highly-motivated and very well-armoured foot to command, even if they weren’t particularly disciplined.

    And yes, knights did fight in sieges quite often. We have numerous historical accounts that attest to this fact.

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  141. Thomas
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    One can only hope these aren’t Lannister guardsmen. Never mind how this oriental design makes little sense since the Westerlands share the same culture as everybody else (who are all so far consistent with each other), it is not even internally consistent, what with Gregor looking so different.

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  142. fritanga
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Looks like warmed-over Lord of the Rings to me, which is what I was expecting. The casting is terrible, except for Bean, Dinklage, Gillen and Lloyd. Everyone else is is either completely generic and without any sort of personality. I guess HBO had to cut corners somewhere, and as only the Dinklage and Gillen characters survive through the series, I suppose they thought they’d blow their wad with Bean (only I know who Lloyd is, from Doctor Who). I wish they hadn’t even attempted to film these books.

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  143. Posted September 15, 2010 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    fritanga: The casting is terrible, except for Bean, Dinklage, Gillen and Lloyd. Everyone else is is either completely generic and without any sort of personality.

    Bahahahaha!

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  144. Wolf of Dorne
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    I won’t comment over the costumes/armors as I’d like to see them in movement and after editing to have a proper opinion.

    Now, the characters:

    Viserys and Dany: beautiful, beautiful hair. Dany’s eyebrows don’t bother me as many people got eyebrows which are darker than their head hair, and these aren’t even that dark. She looks like a fairy :)

    Jon, Robb, Jorah: like taken out right from the books. Thumbs up.

    The Mountain: boy, I wouldn’t argue about football with someone like Conan XXDD His armor looks amazing (and scaring).

    Littlefinger & Sansa: creepy, as it should be. Love her hair :)

    Arya & Bran: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww… :)

    Ned & Tyrion: *dies* ’nuff said *dies again*

    Robert & Cersei>/strong>: Robert looks fat, tired and bored, which it means he looks cool ;). I don’t like Cersei’s hair, though: it looks fake (yeah, I know it’s a wig, but it looks too fake for me).

    Catelyn: that’s the mother-of-five-but-still-looks-hot lady I wanted to see :) Beautiful, motherly and ladylike. Perfect.

    Loras: look at the Mountain’s armor and then, look to Loras’. Perfect contrast: the Beauty and the Beast XD

    Love the engraving and the banners, very Middle Age-like and detailed.

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  145. Wolf of Dorne
    Posted September 15, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    fritanga,

    Funny thing you mentioned DW as not only Viserys but Jorah, Old Nan, Gendry, Aemon and a bunch more have appeared in the show.

    Anyway, each one is entitled to his/her opinion.

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  146. Posted September 17, 2010 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Just saw that Westeros got confirmation from HBO that this is NOT Prince Joffrey.

    Personally I was surprised that people even thought it was Joffrey, since he looks completely different to me. But apparently over at Westeros they were fairly confident that it was the Prince.

    The extra actually reminds me of Pippin from LOTR!

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  147. Steph
    Posted September 18, 2010 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    I confess myself surprised, considering the number of people harping on the Targaryens’ eyebrows, that no one has yet mentioned the fact that Issac Hempstead-Wright’s hair is clearly Starkish brown, as opposed to the Tully auburn that he is supposed to share with most of his siblings. I have no problem with the dark eyebrows and I didn’t even notice that Boromir’s hair color had changed from book to movie until I heard all the ridiculous complaints, but in Martin’s books, hair and eye color of children of great houses play a very important role. Only Jon and Arya have the brown hair and grey eyes of the Starks; the rest of the children have the auburn hair and blue eyes of their Tully mother. I don’t know…it really doesn’t bother me all that much, but I did wonder why no one else seemed to have noticed. :)

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  148. john
    Posted September 27, 2010 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Steven Scott,

    your a loser and you dont know what your talking about, she looks the best ofall of them and probably the best actress by far

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  149. Edric Storm
    Posted October 11, 2010 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    What’s with all of the feudal japan/sen goku jidai era armour etc theme with the lannisters?

    So the author of this snippet thinks that this far flung and exotic armour must belong to a lannister man-at-arms because it has red on it, and because that is his guess everyone must assume that it is so?

    I think it highly likely that this is armour from way across the sea, beyond the free cities to the east. Dothraki or something similar. Seems to me as if the Lannisters (as well as the rest of Westeros, [bar the middle eastern-like Dornish and the nordic leaning Ironborn]) would have the aesthetic/design/military culture of their historic counterparts. I thought Martin compared the look and feel of the books to the hundred years war and 13th-14th century medieval europe? Knights in armour, coloured dabbards with sigils emblazoned on their fronts…not far eastern arms and armour…that just doesnt fit in. What do you suppose the eastern cultures will have for their arms and armour? Western influenced long swords, surcoats and plate mail? I don’t think so.

    I can’t understand how anyone can think having samurai-like armour for the Lannisters (or any Westerosi faction) would be cool. It would be utterly ridiculous and there is at no point in the books where there is the slightest hint that Jaimes armour is of a similar description to samurai armour.

    With that rant aside, I think the casting is mostly excellent. Although I don’t think Mark Addy was a good pick for King Robert. I know that he has grown fat over the years and all, but still, he would be more of a handsome man and there would still be evidence of his strength. A strong jaw, and a big stocky frame (complete with beer belly) is what I had always imagined. His facial features stronger and edgier too.

    Anyway, I’m hoping that it’ll do the books justice!

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