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Still casting; Filming date fixed

Filed Under: Casting, Speculation

George R. R. Martin has confirmed on his blog that casting for season one of Game of Thrones continues in Dublin, Belfast and London. Currently they are in the process of casting Shae.

Auditions continue in Dublin, Belfast, and London for a whole bunch of parts, both major and minor, on HBO’s GAME OF THRONES.

Sometimes it is a very hard job.

I’ve just reviewed the tapes of twelve young women reading for the part of Shae.

Excuse me. I need to go take a cold shower now.

Winter Is Coming: Although it’s nice to get an update on the production’s progress, the lack of casting news, or even hints, is disappointing. I suppose the positive thing to take away from this post is that they seem to be nearing the end of casting. GRRM indicated before that they would be casting in order of appearance and Shae appears fairly late in the books. Assuming they follow the books closely with regards to Shae’s introduction she likely won’t appear until episode seven or eight. Which means they should have a bunch of parts cast, or nearly cast, by now. When HBO will decide to announce them is anyone’s guess.

UPDATE: GRRM adds in the comments that the official start date for filming is July 26.

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179 Comments

  1. Caedes
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    The lack of news is disappointing, yes, but I'm confindent it will be worth the waiting.
    There is a deadline that cannot be crossed here, isn't there?

    And, regarding Shae, I'm kinda happy they didn't merge Ros with her.

    ANd First!! :-)

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  2. Posted June 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Totally forgot Shae shows up in Thrones. I need to get a major refresher. Good to hear they may be close to finishing casting up, can't wait to hear the official announcement, hopefully sooner than later!

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  3. Posted June 9, 2010 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Hard job, lol.

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  4. Posted June 9, 2010 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean by "hard" exactly?

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  5. Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

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  6. Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Oh, boy here we go…(ES fans get your ears on) I'm going to duck out the back door.

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  7. Lex
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I'm starting to think we're just going to get a BUNCH of casting news, all at once… in about a month (maybe less). No hints, no clues… just a casting news dump.

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  8. Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    My guess is towards the end of june will get a big announcement.

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  9. Liesie
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    wouldn't it be awesome to wake up one morning while thinking there won't be any news, as usual, and then finding out everyone's been cast =)
    *fingers crossed* (maybe it's tomorow, you never know)

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  10. Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Now why can't these audition tapes show up on Youtube? Life is so unfair…

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  11. The_Rabbit01
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    The official start date of the filming: 26th of July.
    By Ran via Twitter.

    The source: GRRM

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  12. TPFKA Thoros of Myr
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Now why does this comes to mind? http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/lat

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  13. Posted June 9, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    As Emilia Clarke would say, awesome!

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  14. Posted June 9, 2010 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    :)
    I would say just: heh!
    And start wondering when the "heh" is about to be cast.

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  15. Lex
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    6.5 weeks until filming. Let the countdown begin!

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  16. Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Speculation-haters just do not read this, please.

    Is it possible that they are waiting with the announcement of filled roles, because they are hunting some bigger name, and waiting the signature of the contract?

    Like it was a case with Sean Bean last summer. No cluse then neither.

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  17. humusTaster
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    anything is possible in Speculationland.

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  18. Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Glad to finally have a start date for filming. So then we know when we'll definitely get some news from the set or at least from folks around there.

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  19. Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    I'm glad there's a solid filming date now. We'll know things are awry if that date gets passed by.

    Does anyone have a decent approximation as to how long eleven-and-a-half episodes normally take to shoot? Are we talking December or even January?

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  20. Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Edit: nine-and-a-half episodes.

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  21. Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    The pilot was filming over about five weeks. They'll probably overlap episodes somewhat. I'd guess they have about 30 weeks total to film, so it could be mid to late February. (Probably shut down for two weeks from Christmas to New Year's).

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  22. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    So long and yet so close…

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  23. Posted June 9, 2010 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    I do think it's possible they want at least one more big name in the cast. The way some other shows have been getting people, like Eva Green in Camelot, they might feel they need to. Littlefinger, Varys and Tywinn are probably the best bets for them to find major actors for roles. I don't know that it would cause any more delay or not, but anything is possible.

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  24. paulgude
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    I still think there's a chance Tywin's going to be cast later than the others, and that they'll cast someone big enough to get his own announcement.

    Granted, though, some of that is based on GRRM's saying Tywin and Shae would be cast "much later in the process" back in May:
    http://grrm.livejournal.com/151442.html

    Now they're casting Shae.

    While Shae will show up earlier than Tywin, maybe they really are going to cast the entire thing before July.

    Regardless, it would be nice to have at least one more "name" to be a through-line for the more finicky viewers who are looking for star power going into season two. (This isn't to discount the other actors. Obviously, Dinklage should have folks eating out of his hand by that point.)

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  25. paulgude
    Posted June 9, 2010 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    That brings up something interesting, which goes along with the whole SDCC thing as well.

    Often, when we come up with our theories about something that may or may not happen, I imagine that the debates on Winter Is Coming have already occurred at HBO and they've made a decision based on one side or the other.

    For example, with the SDCC, whether or not the convention was too far away from the release date of the series for a panel to be effective wouldn't have had nearly as much of a discussion at HBO as it did here. Why? Because the first day of shooting is only three days from the start of the convention. The idea of whether or not almost a year was too soon to begin publicity wouldn't really have entered into the decision.

    Same thing with Ros becoming Shae. We all speculated about the possibility after Esme posted "So happy I could die," on Feb 12th. The thing is, she already knew what that information was, and the idea that Ros would merge with Shae wasn't part of it. HBO was *never* going to merge Shae with Ros. It was a bogeyman we created.

    Granted, I still feel the need to engage with people when they suggest HBO might write Brienne out of the series, or eliminate Dorne entirely, but these are all phantom issues.

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  26. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    SPOILERS(For Charlaine Harris fans)
    In non-human casting news, I want to remind everyone that True Blood season 3 starts this Sunday. This season we get very-wolf-like werewolves whose roles are filled by real wolves. I thought I'd throw that out there if any non TB fans wanted to check it out to see what we might be able to expect in our AGoT direwolves.

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  27. Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Someone in Belfast said the plan was that Season 1 would shoot over 30 weeks, so that sounds about right.

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  28. Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    Different productions. Different wolves. Even though I like the real wolves they're using in True Blood, the direwolves may end up looking slightly different. If that dead mama direwolf was an indicatation of the size they're going with then we'll get big wolves (when they're grown). Also HBO is running before True Blood a pre-show updating on their up-coming productions don't know if GOT will be mentioned or not but it would be cool.

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  29. Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    This note in GRRM's last post made me think of GoT:

    "(Good rule for all superhero movies: the closer they stick to the original comics, the better they are. The more they change and add and fiddle with, the more they stink)."

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  30. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Of course the GoT wolves will need to be bigger. The point I was making though was just that TB could give us some idea of the strengths and weaknesses of using real wolves as opposed to CGI versions. TB is definately campy at times, but from the previews I have seen, the wolves in season 3 look a hell of alot scarier than the silly toon wolves in Twilight. If real wolves get used in GoT then at some point there will need to be some type of effects used (GCI, perspective tricks or combo puppet/real wolf shots). I'm just trying to get folks to watch TB to generate a discussion about wether or not using real wolves would be viable in GoT.

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  31. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    SPOILERS
    In most cases I assume this would be true for books a s well as comics, but (and I hate to beat a dead horse here) True Blood would be a notable exception. If True Blood were a rehash of Charlaine Harris' books (I've read them all and I really like them), the series would definately not be the hit it has been. The biggest reason I watch now is to see what devilish deviations Alan Ball will make away from (or along side of) the original material. HBO has done a great job of tweaking the source material to make it much more suitable for TV. That said, I completely agree with the sentiment of leaving AGoT as close to form as possible. Keeping Lafayette alive in TB (he dies at the end of the forst book and is a minor character throughout) was a stroke of genius imo. Doing something similar with say Ned would be horrible.

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  32. A Guy
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    I don't fight in tournaments because durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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  33. spacechampion
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Dexter would also be an example of deviation from the text working out well for the tv series.

    From reading the wikipedia description the third Dexter book would fit better as a True Blood season!

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  34. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    One deviation I'd like to see is for them to replace Hodor with the Matt Damon puppet from Team America. I can just picture old Matt carring Issac around on his shoulders repeating his name over and over again. "I'm Matt Damon! I'm Matt Damon!" ;p

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  35. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    That Guy has a point.

    Though by the same token I'm a big supporter of dipping the wick. Nine "bastard"s in a chapter isn't the same as nine in one television scene. Jon goes from emo to Skywalker levels of self-pity is everyone's screeching the "b" word every other sentence.

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  36. Nemo
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    It would be nice if they got another big name to production, but for what role? Ned's is rather different from others, a big role, but doesn't require too much of commitment. But Varys and LF need to stay at the backround almost all the time, from season to season. Tywin, Blackfish would seem more likely to me, but I wouldn't surprise if they'd cast unknowns for their roles as well.

    I don't know how they are handling the flashbacks, but Rhaegar, Lyanna or Mad King could be a nice chance for a cameo for someone well-known star

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  37. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    @PG
    GRRM actually mentioned Tywin s audition tape in his previous post related to casting – some 2-3 weeks ago.

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  38. paulgude
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    Ahhhhhh, right!

    "… and, for this trip at least, must be a hundred or more new audition tapes for parts both small (Rast, Mord, Jhogo) and large (Lord Tywin, Ser Barristan, Lysa Arryn) in the HBO series. I was keeping up with the auditions pretty well. Now I'm way, way behind…"
    http://grrm.livejournal.com/153810.html

    That's like two weeks later than the "much later in the process" comment, so maybe they really are going to cast the whole thing at once.

    I don't mind being wrong if it means we get to know these things sooner.

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  39. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    I'd say it's worth checking out this Sunday, one way or the other.

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  40. amir
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Seconded. It's an awesome idea.

    Also, why does no one consider using puppets with stop-motion technique for the direwolves? I mean, it worked so well in fantastic mr. fox!!!

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  41. Md.
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Not that it really matters, but Tywin appears first as far as I remember (Tyrion meets him and his host after descending from the mountains, Shae is picked later from the camp followers). Or am wrong? Either way they're not much "afar" from each other timeline-wise.

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  42. John
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Back off topic here with the world cup, the US/UK ambassadors bet a meal on the outcome and I found the exchange pretty funny:

    "We will understand if you decline, given the outcome of the last such encounter," a US aide wrote, referring to the US defeat of England in 1950.

    A UK aide said Sir Nigel took his steak like that win – "somewhat rare".

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  43. Syleon
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    *Fist in the air!*

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  44. Carlos
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    I saw the GoT casting call notes on a spotlight account a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, my actor friend wouldn't let me copy the text. However, I do remember the notes for Shae mentioned appearing seasons 1-3 and 2 episodes of season 1 the first being episode 9.

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  45. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Carlos,
    Thanks for the info.
    Was it casting call only for Shae ?

    I digged that Spotlight site, but unfortunately one must have an account to enter in the casting calls.
    It looks like the Spotlight is the british version of Showfax.

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  46. Carlos
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    It had Doreah, Shagga, Shae and one other minor male character I can’t remember. My friend was rather protective regarding confidentiality and my view was rather fleeting.

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  47. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    You are correct. Tyrion runs into Tywin (with his army) at the Inn of the Crossroads immediately after coming down from the Mountains of the Moon (with his clansmen). It's not until the night prior to the Battle of the Green Fork that Tyrion gets with Shae (Bronn steals her from another knight; "I said 'find me a whore', not 'make me an enemy'!")

    In terms of lines and screen time, Shae should overall be a bigger role than Tywin is. She's in virtually every Tyrion chapter in Book 2, at least, and is a steady presence throughout Book 3 as well.

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  48. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Thanks!

    Interesting choice of characters.

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  49. Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Ser Kevan Lannister also first appears in that chapter along with his brother Tywin, and Shae later on. He shares many scenes with Tywin and should be a good enough actor to keep up, at least, with whomever is cast as Tywin. He sometimes has more lines than Tywin does, too.

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  50. Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Brits and their soccer, eh hem … football. So will it really hurt when the U.S. wins and hardly anyone in the states will notice or care?

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  51. John
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    It would hurt the English, aye. But they won't win, so we needn't worry ;).

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  52. Posted June 10, 2010 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    My choice of Dreamcast: Sir Ben Kingsley as Syrio Forel.

    Very small role, short commitment to the series (even if you follow the famous theory), Lots of good lines to shine. And he's so perfect for the role. British, exotic-looking, and great in every way.

    Have we heard anything about Syrio's auditions? 'cause we know GRRM had looked to a bunch of characters tapes, but I don't remember anything about the Braavosi.

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  53. Posted June 10, 2010 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, folks, I was completely wrong about who shows up first in the books.

    The only reason to think Tywin would be cast later than Shae now is if they're going after a bigger name and negotiations would take longer.

    I hadn't even thought of Ser Kevan, either.

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  54. paulgude
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I get the feeling that even though Shae has more lines, they might get a bigger name actor for Tywin. It way just be that when people are discussing bigger names for characters I'm normally like, "Oh, they'd never get ___________ to play ___________," but for Tywin it seems plausible for some reason.

    What do you think?

    (With the caveat that we don't really know, we could get surprised, and nothing that we say here will affect the outcome one way or another, of course.)

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  55. Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    I keep thinking Tywin, but I think it's rooted in the whole "meta-casting" idea, where the reputation of the actor transfers to the character.

    There's a scene in "Hot Fuzz," where this kind of happens:

    *SPOILERS*

    Simon Pegg's character keeps going up the chain of command, and each successive "level" is a higher-level star. A Met Sergeant, played by Martin Freeman, A Metropolitan Police Inspector played by Steve Coogan, and finally the Met Chief Inspector played by Bill Nighy. I think it's one of the funniest bits in the movie.

    *SPOILERS*

    So, casting a "name" as Tywin would (perhaps unconsciously) communicate a lot about Tywin's position in relation to the rest of the characters.

    In the same way, if Varys and Littlefinger are played by actors that aren't household names, but are still known to be extremely talented by film or TV buffs, it may communicate some good things about their characters, too.

    I got that last bit from your statement that those two need to stay in the background. I think you've got a really good point.

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  56. About
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Until the kids play soccer in the streets of the US, the US will not win and if they do it will be meaningless.

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  57. Geoff
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Bridget Reagan (Kahlan) and Tabrett Bethall (Cara) from Legend of the Seeker are the two reason's i watched this terrible show, lets hope the can find a home at HBO, with a Game of Thrones. Now the Seeker has been cancelled.

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  58. Posted June 10, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    I'm just reading Charlaine Harris' books now, and they're pretty entertaing but (yep I'll keep beating tht horse too) the show really does enhance the stories in the books. Alan Ball really does know what works for tv and HBO.

    I think one of the big differences with the Sookie books and GOT, is that with Chatlaine Harris they tend to add characters and plots, and bring really minor characters like Lafayette, and to a certain extend Tara, into the forefront. The stories are fairly simplistic and although there are some running threads of plot through the books, most of the mysteries are wrapped up nicely in 300 pages or so. In Got I fear that changes means taking things away because the characters, problems, and plots are so intertwined.

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  59. paulgude
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    There are tons of kids playing soccer in the streets of the US. It's the *only* game in town for the kids in the South Park neighborhood in Seattle, for instance.

    On a more personal note, I went to high school in a relatively small town in the Midwest and the folks on the soccer team were as popular as the folks on the football team. I played soccer in little league, not baseball. It's one of those cases where what I see on TV just doesn't match my direct experience.

    I can't deny that other sports are more popular with the rest of the USA, of course. The Seattle Sounders have about 36,000 attendees per game, as opposed to 67,000 for the Seahawks (American football.)

    The USA is large. Perhaps "hardly anyone" will care in terms of percentages, but if the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup Final is any indication, millions will be watching.

    Full disclosure, however, I'm not generally a sports fan at all (soccer included) and thought the guys on the soccer team were jerks.

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  60. Nemo
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I didn't like TB that much, but I guess I should have a shot at the Sookie books if they are that different from the show.

    One rule concerning tv/movie adaptations I've heard is that you cannot ever adapt a good book in a totally succesful way, but you can always make a bad book look better.

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  61. Posted June 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    The thing that's really made me feel comfortable about this was listening to David Benioff talk for about an hour about the pains he took when adapting "The Kite Runner" for the screen. He was really thoughtful regarding his choices. The to the interview was posted here a while ago, but I wasn't able to find it.

    Of course, there's also this tidbit from him Winter found a long time ago:

    "I think the adapter’s job is to find a narrative throughline and excise any material not critical for that narrative’s success. That sounds a little surgical, and I suppose it is, but – as your question suggests – the most difficult task is deciding what to cut. In adapting my own novel, I cut a character (LoBianco) because he wasn’t essential for the principal journey of the movie. Again, there is very little time in a script."

    So, he's someone who really cares about getting the the details from the book to translate correctly onto screen (The Kite Runner), but also isn't afraid to cut out things out (The 25th Hour.)

    I take this to mean that there will be things removed but the connections interwoven between everyone's stories will be carefully considered.

    Still, I almost hate bringing that quote up because it invites people to make their own suggestions as to who they think "isn't essential for the principal journey" in Game of Thrones. It's almost worse than GRRM's Tom Bombadil quote.

    Basically, I trust Benioff's commitment to both GRRM's work and the art of adaptation. I also trust his ability not only to make tough choices, but the right ones.

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  62. Nemo
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    GRRM's comment about casting Sam, that is: "We’re casting Sam right now for the TV show. Two excellent young actors stand out above the rest. A damned hard choice", just caught my eye and… I really didn't need this

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  63. Nemo
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    I'm not an expert on Benioff's works, since Troy is the only one I've seen. Unfortunately, I didn't like that movie very much, so I don't share your trust in his ability to make the right choices. I don't distrust either, I'm just waiting to see what will happen.

    But I have no doubt he wouldn't be committed to this project and to ASOIAF.

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  64. Posted June 10, 2010 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    To be honest, the only movie of his I've seen is "Stay," and I wasn't a big fan of it. My trust is based on his interesting description of the process of adapting "The Kite Runner," and the fact that his screenplay for it was nominated for a BAFTA.

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  65. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I've read that the US has sold the most tickets to it's inhabitants, so we'll see a lot of US-supporters there.

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  66. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Well, Canada may not have made it to the Cup, but the official theme song is Canadian :-)

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  67. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Shakira is from Canada? (I know, I know)

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  68. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    hehe. I liked her Bamboo song better than Africa, but too bad she mixed it with Hips don't lie. Well, she could pass for a Canadian given her multi-ethnic background :)

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  69. Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    US soccer has come a long way. My generation was the first where everyone played in youth leagues but we didn't have very good instruction, generally, that comes with generations of dads learning the game properly. But now my generation are the dads teaching their 5-15 year olds, so that is getting much better. Also, the major soccer league is now selling out their games with crowds of 20,000 and more.

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  70. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    The US is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde when it comes to soccer. We actually kinda get pumped for the World Cup, but it's only in the way that we get pumped for the Olympics; we love the athletes when they're on the world stage every 4 years and pretty much ignore them the rest of the time.

    At the same time, when we hosted the World Cup in '94 we set all kinds of attendance and viewership records.

    That said, until soccer is somewhere close to at least hockey in terms of national popularity, it's unlikely for us to make much of a splash on the world stage. Probably 19 out of 20 adult males in the US couldn't tell you who won the last MLS cup. Probably 2 out of 10 couldn't tell you what sport plays for the MLS cup.

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  71. Lord Ned's Head
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    I am catching. Up while on a roadie to Palm Springs so I am reading and typing on my phone, Apologies if I misunderstand PG, but I think I concur with you about Tywin, The role was made for a familar vetran of the screen, He shouls be played by a heavyweight. I doubt they could get him, but someone like Sir Anthony Hopkins wouldnKt be too high caliber in my book, Whomever they choose, it should be someone big, The nice thing about the role is that it is a fairly limited role with a definate beginning and end. The role itself would seem to be attractive enough to draw out some big power names.

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  72. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Sort of Off Topic. More casting for Borgias confirmed. Holliday Grainger and Daivd Oaks http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_displ

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  73. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    I think the hard question here is then "What is the principal journey?". Even more hard because we only have a small glimpse of where we're headed.

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  74. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    If Football (sorry I refuse to use "soccer" here) is the most extensive, played and famous sport on earth is for its adequacy to any circumstance. You only need a ball, pile some backpacks after school and there you go.

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  75. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I'm with you on this. While it's not a guarantee, I think that if there *is* going to be another "name" actor added to the series, Tywin is a great choice.

    *SPOILERS*
    Unlike Varys and Littlefinger, Tywin has a definite "expiration date." A seven year commitment has the potential to scare off some bigger names.
    *SPOILERS*

    Plus, the scenes between Tywin and his kids are all, for want of a better word, awesome. It'd be a great role.

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  76. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    THing that makes me not to think on a big name for Tywin is that GRRM spoke about watching tapes for hime, IIRC. If a really big name is involved, he shouldn't had to audition, I think, much in the same way we're pretty sure Dinklage and Bean got the part.

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  77. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I thought about that too. But they may be searching for a "not name" actor in case they don't get any of the name actors they might want. It would be pretty stupid not to, unless they got the one they wanted right away.

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  78. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    That is a good point, but keep in mind GRRM also said this earlier:

    "Yes, casting is on-going for the HBO series, so I've been seeing a lot of tapes. No, I won't say who, but it's been fun. Some actors are household names who would be recognized by any film or television fan, some are veteran character actors, some are brilliant young newcomers."

    Now, we might be using different definitions for "big name," but "household names who would be recognized by any film or television fan" fits my definition, and GRRM was watching tapes from some of those.

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  79. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    That's why I'm extremely happy with GRRM's involvement. While I understand folks who would rather he took a lesser role in the TV series and focused entirely on his books, I for one am glad that the man with the road map is available for consultation, even if the final destination only exists in his head.

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  80. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    "Household names" could be actors at the same level as, say Lena Headey or Jennifer Ehle.
    To juggle some of our candidates here I guess people like David Bamber, Charles Dance, Alan Dale or Tom Hollander would be in that league.

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  81. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Just to let it clear: I'm totally for a very big actor as Tywin myself. I'm just having a hard time seeing it.

    Charles Dance for Tywin, Ben Kingsley as Syrio and Ian McKellen as Ser Barristan… can you imagine that?

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  82. The_Rabbit01
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    IMO the roles that litteraly scream for the bigger name (or just a definition given by GRRM – I am with Paul here) are both Littlefinger and Varys, then Tywin (that one for sure), and eventually I would go with the Old bear.
    The problem for LF and Varys is obvious – pointed out by many of you – 7 years of commitment.

    My guess is also that they will go with some veteran actors (wich we will recognize for sure) for all of the roles of the older important characters like Pycelle, Aemon, Walder Frey.

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  83. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    I'm inclined to think that this is going to have the consequence of many fewer cuts and deletions that would be if the author is not around. Part for his love of the story and its characters, part for he wouldn't like to give "clues" of what's going to happen. **JUST A JOKE **("YEah, skip Brienne altogether, she's dead at the beginning of ADwD anyway") **

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  84. Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic: Just before I forget (again), and in case we (hopefully) get soon many many juicy casting and wardrobe and other great stuff news, I'd like to say THANKS to WiC, to FaB, To HmR, to all the commenters and all of you guys for your incredible searching skills. It's been like six months since the pilot end filming and, besides the much expected and desired greenlight and the recasting, there'd been a real drought for news. But every small hint, every clue, everything you had found and brought here for google-inepts like myself.
    Thank you all guys, you rock.

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  85. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Seconded. I'm still checking in here every day.

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  86. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    No doubt. Also, the discussions here keep things interesting while we wait.

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  87. paulgude
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Exactly!

    "While Damphair is interesting, I'm thinking we could cut-"
    "*COUGH!*"
    "Something to add, George?"
    "Not at all…"
    "Does Damphair have something to do with-"
    "I can't say. Really, whatever you think is best."
    "Okay, because I think if we cut-"
    "Just…well…hmmm…Maybe I've said too much."
    "*Sigh* Okay, so Damphair stays."

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  88. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, he does say, any film or television *fan*, would know them which I suppose might be different than someone the general public knows.

    Like, say, Charles Dance vs. Patrick Stewart.

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  89. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Gude thought there!

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  90. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    glad to hear about the scary bit!

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  91. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    and lookign forward to reading your comments about the wolves (being europebased, I won't see it myself)

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  92. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    LOL!!

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  93. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    I hope not, personally, not being very impressed by the show or their acting. But that's just me :) I'd rather have completely unknowns – or actors previously unconnected to anything fantasy. For instance – would be "awesome" to see more all drama/comedy actors in GOT. Or something along those lines.

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  94. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Chiming in! Have this page as my first internet page so it's the first I see every day…

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  95. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    I'm a bit new here but I'm surprised that the idea of Ros being merged with Shae ever really gained any traction. Ros is clearly a high-class King's Landing brothel prostitute, while Shae is a lowly camp follower; it would make no sense whatsoever for a King's Landing whore to show up at an army camp, servicing soldiers. One might as well merge Maester Aemon with Maester Pycelle simply because they have the same job title.

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  96. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes he's making a pun. Sometimes he's not. Just keep telling yourself that.

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  97. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    I've no doubt they will get a "bigger name" to play Tywin, mostly because I'm relatively sure we will have never heard of whoever winds up playing Shae. She's an eighteen year old girl, and frankly her primary role will be sex scenes. I'd be very surprised if they were courting well-known actresses for the role and would consider it a waste of time.

    Tywin, of course, is a grown man in his fifties that needs to have gravitas and command. You won't find many newcomers that fit that description, but you couldn't throw a dead cat onto a London theater stage without hitting a venerable character actor that could play the part passably. I'm not thinking we'll get an Anthony Hopkins or Alan Rickman level of recognition, but there should definitely be a lengthy imdb page to browse.

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  98. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    This is absolutely correct, and I had the same thought. Varys and Littlefinger need to appear on screen without any red flashing lights that say "WARNING! THIS IS A MAJOR CHARACTER!" They need to be good actors, of course, and sometimes that is congruent with stardom, but need to be good in that disappear-into-the-character way.

    Tywin is larger-than-life and there would be no downside to getting a big name for the role, apart from the paycheck amount, at least.

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  99. Posted June 10, 2010 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    I guess I should clarify that when I said, "We all speculated about the possibility" I didn't mean that most of us thought that it would happen, but rather that we spent a while discussing it.

    Also, I say "we" but it looks like I wasn't involved in the first discussion:
    http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/02/intriguing-tw

    And here, a lot of the discussion is just me and Winter talking about how it's not likely to happen:
    http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/05/grrm-hands-in

    Basically, my point is that people float a lot of theories here, and we often take them way more seriously than is warranted. It has to do a bit I think with the way the ideas are worded, "HBO is going to have to…" or "HBO will probably…" followed by whatever that particular fan's idea might be. If the rest of us aren't careful, we'll discuss it as though it's something that's actually on the table.

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  100. Ser G
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Adaptation is extremely difficult.

    The good news is that there is a world of difference between adapting for a 90-130 minute film versus adapting for a 500-600 minute season of television. The latter (quite obviously) affords much more latitude to explore arcs and characters that aren't absolutely essential to the narrative.

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  101. Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    That pretty much matches exactly what I was thinking. Shae is a role that could launch an unknown's career, while Tywin will give an old hand a chance to flex his muscles.

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  102. Lex
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    It seems that HBO is taking longer with this show than with others.

    From what I've heard about shows like Treme, Boardwalk Empire, etc., the time between casting, greenlight, and shooting has been shorter. It seems clear to me that Game of Thrones is probably more difficult and complicated than most (if not all) of their previous projects (even just in terms of sheer number of characters, let alone visual effects, etc.). I hope they're taking the extra time to make sure it's done well.

    PS Can't wait for the end of July.

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  103. Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    I only way could imagine Varys and/or Littlefinger being played by someone well known is if they're played by someone who's had a lot of experience playing small roles but has never been seen as a lead character.

    Using Deadwood as an example, Brad Dourif, William Sanderson, Stephen Tobolowsky, and Jeffrey Jones have all had long careers and are recognizable to most TV and movie fans. Even those not able to name them would at least be able to name one or two other shows in which they've appeared. However, their presence wouldn't necessarily indicate anything more than the actor has gotten another "regular" gig.

    I think an unknown would be better, but I think a professional "that guy" could work in the role of Varys or Littlefinger.

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  104. Chris
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    The problem with Tywin is that he only has minor appearances until book 3 where he is in at least most of Tyrion's chapters.

    He's kind of like Hearst in Deadwood where he is talked about all the time and you know hes a powerful, important dude, but he takes his time to actually make it on screen. Only difference here, is that he does make a couple small appearances before being a recurring role, so you can't just wait until season 3 to find a really good actor.

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  105. Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    I did some digging to see why we aren't hearing more casting news, and apparently it's to do with how HBO handle shows that haven't aired yet. Simply put, the attention GoT is getting for a show at this stage is completely unprecedented for them and HBO are not used to giving out detailed info and castings at this stage. High-profile castings, sure, but not every single castmember for the series, which is obviously what we are after. That stuff is usually left to press releases sent out well into production, if not after it's wrapped. However, our various mainstream journalist friends are asking for this information and hope to get some more info from HBO in the next few weeks. Imminent information is not likely for the reason I give below.

    HBO's publicity department is big, but generally focus on the shows that are on air or are about to air. So right now, HBO's publicity department is not focused at all on what's going on with THRONES but are much more concerned with the launch of TRUE BLOOD Season 3 next week. For that reason I suspect we won't hear anything more about THRONES until after TB3 has started airing and things calm down a bit for them.

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  106. Chris
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    I agree, and I think TV series are the perfect medium for book adaptations. It really is impossible to translate a good book into a 2 hour movie.

    I think its going to become a more common thing with the success of True Blood and Dexter and even shows like The Wire(which I think was based off a book.) Plus a few more adaptions coming in the next year(GoT of course, and The Walking Dead is getting a lot of buzz as well)

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  107. Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Tywin will almost certainly be a recognisable name, simply because the number of distinguished British actors in the age range with the presence and ability to do the job is quite high. There's probably not many actors in their 50s-70s (the likely age range they'll go for) who won't be previously established in one form or another.

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  108. Chris
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Yea, I'd stay away from anyone from LotS. a.) The show just wasn't that good and nothing stood out to me about the actors that would make me want to see them in GoT. b.) It might plant a few bad seeds in people's minds to have actors from a recently failed(and bad) fantasy show hop on board to this fantasy show. Some people would think "Oh great, another LotS"…

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  109. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    I figure they'd try to be accommodating. The idea of a large name showing up in single episodes of a show here and there over a long period of time isn't entirely uncommon. You have cases like "Bones," where Stephen Fry has shown up in five episodes over six seasons. It's sort of a situation like that mashed up with Gerald McRaney not showing up until later in Deadwood. A unique combination, but definitely not unworkable.

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  110. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    If that's their general stance, your earlier statements about Game of Thrones being too far away for them to really worrying about doing anything for SDCC make much more sense to me now.

    It also makes sense to me now that there isn't much on the HBO.com website about Game of Thrones.

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  111. Knurk
    Posted June 10, 2010 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    You know, the world-cup is beginning tomorrow. After Game-of-Thrones sports is my favo(u)rite subject. Although this blog is not ment to discuss the world-cup it would be very cool to keep discussing all the matches with you guys, because of all the different nationalities, Rabbit being Slovenian (I think), a lot of Brits, Germans, Dutch, Brazilians over here.

    With all the news coming up (I hope…) it would come in handy if there was one topic we could discuss the football (soccer, voetbal, fussbal) discussions. Because otherwise these off-topic discussions would be splattered all around the upcoming topics. Maybe an idea Winter? I know you're looking forward to the World Cup!

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  112. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    much=none

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  113. Posted June 10, 2010 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    That's a damn fine idea. The World Cup only happens once every four years, so I think it seems a worthy subject for WiC's first off-topic discussion thread.

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  114. Posted June 11, 2010 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    It would definately be my guilty pleasure. Of course it's a bit of a risk to go off topic like that, transforming more into a forum. But I've followed almost all of the discussions and there seems to be a trend that the world cup (even when qualifyings went on) seemed to pop up in one in five topic discussions or so. I do believe this site is mature enough to keep an off-topic like the world-cup in hands.

    (I'm such a sportsfan that I've just finished watching that amazing Mets-game and am now watching Lakers-Celtics, it's 4 AM and college starts at 11, sometimes it's a real bitch being a sportsfan)

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  115. Posted June 11, 2010 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    True Blood actually resumes this Sunday in the States. I guess that's technically next week, but I dont really think of it that way. They did the big premier earlier this week.

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  116. Posted June 11, 2010 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    So if I read this correctly, Peter Dinklage is filming a movie this summer?
    Its says production starts in July… Could it mean that pre-production starts in July but the actual shooting will take place later, like February 2011 (after GOT)?
    http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/danny-pudi-ryan

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  117. About
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    All you have to do Gude is to open your eyes in other countries to see that numbers and little soccer leagues and seattle coffee parks are nothing compared to kids that eat breathe and live soccer on the dusty streets in other countries. It's a little endearing that the US is willing to get into something it is a baby in. I don't doubt that in 20 years it will be a more even playing field.

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  118. Posted June 11, 2010 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    While I'm not positive on how they're using the word, I would assume that "starts production" would indicate the end of an pre-production because production would be…starting. Still, people use terms like "ATM machine" and "PIN number," so maybe when he uses "starts production" he means "starts pre-production." That's not me being flip, I actually think he could mean that.

    Regardless, I can't see Dinklage putting a halt to the production to film this, and July 26th seems like a pretty hard start date. It's possible that he's "starring" in a cameo rather than being in the entire film, so he'd be able to bang out his scenes before he's needed on the set?

    It's also possible that they'll be starting with Cat reshoots, so he won't be needed until later on.

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  119. paulgude
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Wow, this is really crazy.

    I've been trying to come up with a way to write back to you without somehow turning this into an argument, but you've done a really good job of phrasing things so that it's difficult.

    Here we go, though.

    I was a kid playing soccer in Southern Illinois in the 1980s and I really, really sucked. I wasn't good. Not good at all. If you got the impression that I was bringing up the fact that I played as a "look out other countries 'cause the USA is comin' for ya!" type of thing, then I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention. I just wanted to show the "the USA doesn't play soccer" thing is kind of weird, because…you know…we played it. We weren't *good* at it, even the kids who were better than me probably weren't great, but it was always around for as long as I can remember. I understand what you're saying though. While we "played" soccer, it wasn't an obsession. I couldn't name any soccer star except for Pelé.

    Still, that has nothing to do with what I was saying about South Park. I think that was one of the weirdest things when I was thinking about what to write back. "Coffee park," is such a weird phrase. It sounds kind of like it's supposed to be an insult, but it just causes a lot of cognitive dissonance in me. Is it like, people in Seattle drink coffee and then they have parks to do that in? It's really *not* offensive in any way, but I wanted to respect the intent you had. Is it like, the coffee barons make a lot of money and then buy parks for the people to use? Regardless, South Park isn't that.

    Before my house was foreclosed on, I lived near the community center there. While it doesn't have dusty streets it's next to a river that's completely polluted with dioxins from an asphalt plant. All the yards are poisonous. All the kids there are basically second or third generation Mexican immigrants and EVERYONE plays soccer. There are leagues, pick-up games, kids in alleys, kids by themselves, adults by themselves. Again, I'm not a huge fan of soccer by I thought I had to bring it up because I saw it every day.

    I'm not overemphasizing this either. South Park's businesses all operate primarily in Spanish, there are chickens wandering the streets, their parades are nuts. It felt a bit like being in a foreign country, but it was the USA. These were US citizens.

    This is the Pacific Northwest, too. I can't imagine that there aren't places identical to this around the USA.

    The idea that *no* kids the USA eat, breathe, and live soccer is simply not true. These kids are US citizens. They may not be the "US citizens" that immediately pop into mind when someone thinks of the phrase, which is understandable. After all, even US citizens have this problem.

    So, here's the basic point. If the USA is waiting for the "American football" and baseball watching crowd to accept soccer as their new sport of choice, that won't happen. The only hope it has is for the soccer fan demographic to meet up with and incorporate the "I'm a fan of sports and soccer seems pretty cool I guess" demographic, not in this generation, but the next. The kids from South Park are growing up. They'll be raising the bar in high school soccer teams, and playing along side the kids Brude is talking about.

    Again, this is definitely not a "Get ready! USA, USA!!!" scenario I'm laying out here. This is a, "Maybe soon the mainstream USA will finally revere soccer like they do their other sports," thing.

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  120. Nemo
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    Too bad that Christopher Lee (born 1922) is probably too old to play Tywin, since he has that noble-evil thing mastered perfectly.

    That being said, I hope they cast someone closer to 70 than 50, since Dinklage and NCW are 40-ish, and Tywin should look like their father, not like an older brother. It was rather embarrassing to watch how Angelina Jolie tried to play Colin Farrell's mother in Alexander (okay, an extreme example, but still…)

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  121. Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Adam.
    From the HBO perspective it sounds logic too me.
    Honestly, I did not expect any announcement from them at this stage.
    My hopes were on GRRM and HBO together (to let GRRM to give us some clues).
    I still hoping that would be the case (especially for the minor roles).
    Until then: we ll watch the World Cup.

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  122. Nemo
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Agreed.

    It's a good think that the overall appreciation of tv series has also increased. These days an tv actor isn't automatically an actor who hasn't manage to make it to the movies.

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  123. Nemo
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    I checked Dinklage's imdb page and there that movie, "The Knights of Badassdom", was reported to be in pre-production… that probably means the filming will start in July, then? Dinklage also has another movie in development ("Mendel's Dwarf") but I don't have IMDbPro, so I don't know anything more about that.

    Playing Tyrion is a very good opportunity and I cannot see why would Dinklage abandon GoT. So perhaps his role in the Knights is indeed a cameo and Mendel's Dwarf is scheduled after GoT.

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  124. Nemo
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Heh, perhaps the World Cup is also a reason to wait. Even here in WiC is a thread dedicated to it! :)

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  125. sjwenings
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 4:14 am | Permalink

    I know next to nothing about TV-productions, but isn't it possible he'll get like – a month or so off ( to possibly squeeze in a movie) somewhere in those 7 months of filming season one? He's a major character, but there will always be other scenes to film which does not include him.

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  126. Posted June 11, 2010 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    The filming for Knights of Badassdom is reported to be done in "the first part of summer". So that would probably mean it's ended before GOT starts up.

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  127. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I'm not sure about that. LotS does have an active and enthusiastic fanbase, and getting them on board with GoT through sharing some actors would certainly not be a bad idea. Previously this would be unthinkable, as Goodkind fans are well aware of the contempt their series is held in by most other fantasy fans and have an immense disliking of Martin and Jordan in particular, but happily since the LotS TV fanbase is almost completely divorced from the SoT book fanbase (who hold the TV series to be rubbish, probably for featuring less child abuse and repeated almost-rape than the books), that is not a problem.

    As for the quality of the actors, a lot of it depends on writing and direction. A lot of the less-known actors in LORD OF THE RINGS actually came from HERCULES and XENA, which had a lot of Tolkien fans very worried at the time, but under Jackson's direction they did an excellent job (Karl Urban going on to get very successful roles in THE BOURNE SUPREMACY and STAR TREK, for example).

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  128. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Expanding on that, my guess is that after TRUE BLOOD gets underway, the publicity department will look at what's coming up next, which will likely be the apparently penultimate season of ENTOURAGE at the end of June, followed by BOARDWALK EMPIRE in September (apparently) and focus their attention on those shows. Certainly announcements, press releases and the like might slip out in that timeframe, but the really big marketing will probably not kick in until later, maybe around the time they start promoting TREME Season 2 as well, which sounds like it will air alongside THRONES next Spring.

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  129. Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    The film is in 'some form' of production now. The director has a blog and is posting one picture a day from production:
    http://drjoemommalynch.blogspot.com/

    Based on that, it appears that they are in pre-production before the main shoot begins. If it begins in a couple of weeks, it's possible that Dinklage would complete his filming before GoT begins, or before he is needed, or that Dinklage's role on KNIGHTS is brief or even just a cameo.

    Remember as well that each episode is going to be filmed over 3 weeks (half the shooting time of an average movie), and if an actor is not needed for a given episode he or she might be able to shoot off and do other work and then nip back again.

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  130. Posted June 11, 2010 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    I wish D&D has a blog like this with daily updates…

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  131. Posted June 11, 2010 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Casting news?

    Look what comes up on the Casting Call Pro website when I searched the keyword "Thrones" http://www.uk.castingcallpro.com/search_all.php?u

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  132. Posted June 11, 2010 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Nothing big, obviously, but did we know about Cal Mitchell (Free Rider), Cate Conway (Lannister Handmaiden), Lynne Dynowski (Buxom Serving Wench), Jemima Sinclair (Cook) and Charles Allan (Feature/Banner man)?

    Perhaps we already did… I can't recall properly…

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  133. Coltaine777
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Nice find Nymeria…nothing big but still interesting

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  134. paulgude
    Posted June 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    I might be wrong, but between the dancers, Coral Messam, Yare Jegbefume, and Errol Clarke I'm starting to think that this may not be so much a case of the Dothraki being a multiracial group, but rather that the Dothraki are all going to have darker skin, with Momoa as Drogo being the lightest.

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  135. Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    that was my impression from the beginning. I never really got the whole multiracial saga. I'm sure they can manage to darken Momoa a bit to make him belong better if they need, but his features don't scream Native American that much to me…

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  136. Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Posted about this at Westeros here. Dinklage is definitely one of the leads for this particular film, but it sounds like production is just about under way. At a guess, they'll be done with Dinklage just about in time for him to go over to Belfast.

    The most interesting thing, as I note in the post, was that this film was initially intended to shoot in April. The delay in this production could have been one factor in deciding to move GoT's production date to July 26th.

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  137. Posted June 11, 2010 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Great info! Thanks for digging all of this up!

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  138. Posted June 11, 2010 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    thanks! Obviously, I need to check Westeros before I make such a post next time… you were ahead of me by no less than 3 days on this…

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  139. Posted June 11, 2010 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I do not want to spoil hot thread about football, so I ll post it here:

    Did you see this ? .
    The best Tyrions photo-shop so far, IMO.

    Second info:
    It seems that we have a sort of confirmation for Pyp s role being cast.
    An actor who went to the audition for Pyp, announced today that he is not cast, and likely they have cas somebody else.

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  140. Posted June 11, 2010 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I think you've got the right idea, posting Game of Thrones stuff in this comment section.

    Is there a link or anything to the thing about the person who auditioned for Pyp?

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  141. Jan-Erik L
    Posted June 12, 2010 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Hello:) I cannot remember who gave this piece of advice regarding "Spartacus: Blood and Sand", that one should not give up; it improved a great deal in later episodes. I'd like to thank that person though.. The episodes later in the season are wonderfully written. Lucretia's revenge on Ilithyia (for her constant slithes to her's and Batiatus' honor) was great; and generally the acting and the dialogue was much much better. The three last episodes were espesially memorable. So thanks, unknown person ^^ I remember thinking when I first watched the first two episodes or so: "who would watch this shit? What a cheap pathetic ripoff of 300." :) Glad I took another gander…

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  142. Posted June 12, 2010 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Yes. As i said before – It seems like they are casting sort of "black-light" people for the Dothraki. So basically people that are black, but that have a certain european-ness to their look. I don't really give a f*ck about the ethnisity of the Dothraki, as long as they are not white, and that Momoa seems like a believable member of their tribe ethnisity-wise.

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  143. Posted June 12, 2010 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    I have to say that the Dothraki were always pretty fluid in my mind when reading the books. I think the first I heard of the whole "Native American" look of the Dothraki on this board. It was something GRRM mentioned in an interview, not anything gleaned from the books themselves, right?

    Regardless, I've got pretty much the same criteria: Definitely not white folks, and Momoa has to fit in.

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  144. Chris
    Posted June 12, 2010 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    I don't personally care about their ethnicity, besides the fact that they are across the ocean from Westeros and there should definitely be some distinction between the different continents. Plus, its a nice way to add some variety to the show – ethnically and culturally.

    I personally didn't imagine them being black but that is mainly because of the fact that their long ponytails are an integral part of their culture. Plus, there is the scene where Dany undoes Drogo's braid and he has long flowing hair I think. Those aren't necessarily traits that I associate with cultures from African descent, but I'm fine with whichever way they chose to go. I just hope that the Dothraki and the rest of the cultures in Dany's storyline are as interesting and distinct as they can be. I'm not a huge fan of Dany's storyline, but I do think it can be very visually impressive on screen and I would like to see them have some fun with it.

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  145. Posted June 12, 2010 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    It'll be interesting to see what the Dothraki end up looking like on the screen. They'll obviously be given wigs for their braids so they can have whatever sort of hair the costume designers want. I'm not saying it will be all Star Trek with brow ridges or what have you, but there's is a good chance that there won't necessarily be a real-world equivalent to their final appearance. All speculation, of course, but I think they may end up being a conglomeration of different physical features, much like their culture is a conglomeration of several historic peoples.

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  146. Posted June 12, 2010 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    London-based actor Oliver Powell (twitter: oliverpowell) tweeted that the role of Pyp had been cast but didn't go to him. He later tweeted: Wow – #gameofthrones fans are all so nice & supportive. Makes me wish I could have been involved all the more. Tid bit for you – they're still seeing new people for Grenn!

    So there's a small scoop in and of itself: they're still looking for a Grenn!

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  147. Posted June 12, 2010 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    i share your sentiment. i gave up halfway through the pilot and then a guy from my lab recommended that i continue watching. i wasn't disappointed.

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  148. Posted June 12, 2010 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    i always imagined them as overgrown Mongolians :P
    but i really don't mind how they will show them in the series, except that they gotta be badass barbarians that are very different from Westerosi (looks, costumes etc.).
    i guess it will be achieved, considering the fact they invented a whole language for them! you can't go wrong after that :D

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  149. seb332
    Posted June 12, 2010 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    [quote]previously announced [b]Peter Dinklage[/b], Ryan Kwanten, Steve Zahn, and Danny Pudi in the flick

    Lynch will be shooting from a script penned by Kevin Dreyfuss and Matt Wall. Knights of Badassdom begins filming this July in Spokane, Washington.
    [/quote] http://www.summer-glau.net/wp/?p=2164

    looks like Dinklage is busy in July…

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  150. Posted June 12, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Hope it begins early July, then… Can't help but worry just a little bit about this.

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  151. Posted June 12, 2010 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Scroll down and you'll see that Adam Whitehead and Westeros.org answering Nymeria's question about this. Made me feel a bit better.

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  152. Posted June 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the info. Powell seems like a nice guy.

    I'm sure each casting agent is different, but whenever I get an "are you available to audition?" email, it's usually sent out on a per-project basis to all of the actors they want to be considered for roles. So, if I were tapped to audition for Pyp, for example, I might also see sides for Grenn, Jeren, and Toad, as well as the other actors who were mailed the sides.

    Again, one of my theories that could be a lot of BS, but it could be that someone from Powell's agency is being considered for the Aurochs. It's also one of those things that means relatively nothing, just my information starved brain spinning its wheels.

    I found a web site for Sandra Boyce Management, but its actor listing was (if you'll pardon the pun) a little sketchy:
    http://www.freeradical.co.uk/actors/actors.html

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  153. paulgude
    Posted June 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Something interesting from @HBO on Twitter:

    "Tuning in for tomorrow's #TrueBlood premiere? Turn your TV on at 8:45 for a very special pre-show no HBO fan will want to miss. #GOT"
    http://twitter.com/HBO/status/16030748495

    Now, I don't know about you, but I have to think that that #GOT tag can only be referring to one thing.

    dizzy34 said this about four days ago:

    "Bummer, however I did see a promo for a pre-show of True Blood this week in where they are going to address/preview all their upcoming productions. Not sure how far in the future this will be going but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some kind of Thrones mention."

    That was from this thread:
    http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/06/quick-hits-do

    I have to think that this is HBO giving us an indication that that's happening.

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  154. brewin
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    That's GOT to mean Game of Thrones. (lame pun intended)

    I hope they show a short clip. Even a 5 second clip of Sean Bean saying "Winter is coming" would be awesome. Too bad I don't get HBO yet.

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  155. Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    I'll be tuned in tomorrow for sure.

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  156. Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    I can't think of anything else it could be. I can't remember where I read that there might be Boardwalk Empire footage during the trueblood premiere, so it's not totally out of question GOT could get some advertising time.

    Is it bad that the cynic in me thinks HBO knows we're crazy and just tagged that to drive us nuts?

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  157. Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Yeah, really at this point I'll be happy for *anything.*

    From Dizzy34's post it seems like it'll be just one of many productions featured. Still, the specific shout-out with the #GOT tag is pretty sweet.

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  158. Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    HBO may be tricky, but I don't think they're EVIL.

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  159. Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Oh I'm sure Boardwalk Empire will be featured. The new Entourage season also. However all it mentioned was a pre-show for True Blood (which is probably behind the scenes stuff and interview with that cast) and a "look" at up coming HBO productions. Again not sure what that means but if we get that preview that Winter reported about several days ago, I might jump off the couch.

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  160. paulgude
    Posted June 12, 2010 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    At the very least, I'd like to see something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWw0ov-cAUg

    Or this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWsGbuimD9U

    No actual footage, but something to let folks know that Game of Thrones going to be happening.

    My cautious hope would be something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilwtqaN4Gs

    Or this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxCwdBzRlJQ

    Something with some footage, no real dialog.

    That's what I think of when I think of a teaser.

    Now, obviously, what was described at the investor's meeting, with shots and dialog would be AWESOME, but I'm tending to agree with the folks who are cautious about that ever reaching the public. The idea of it being shown at a panel is one thing, but something official that may be watched, recorded, and distributed might be more tightly controlled.

    I'm also pretty much just talking out of my ass here, but I'm trying to manage my expectations.

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  161. Chris
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    *fingers crosed*

    Trying not to get my hopes up but that sounds promising.

    I remember about this time last year there was a clip for Treme that showed a few clips of them filming scenes and a few short interviews with cast and producers – no actual footage though. They do have some form of a teaser already so who knows what they would show this early for GOT. I'll be stoked for anything…

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  162. Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:29 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdanZbgb0PQ&fe
    Here's a link to that promo for the pre-show. All it says is highly anticipated HBO productions. I guess GOT counts as one of those ;)

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  163. Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    Yeah, with everything else they showed and mentioned, I'll be happy if Game of Thrones gets even a minute of that action. I'm serious when I say that, though. Very, very, happy.

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  164. Coltaine777
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    I’m very happy to hear this news…hopefully we do get to see some footage from the pilot…can’t wait for later tonight !

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  165. Brude
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    I've posted about this over at westeros.org now, too.

    My guess (sort of hope) for what they might show: the entire prologue sequence, followed by a very rapid montage of other shots from the pilot.

    Then again, it might be way too early to show the entire prologue.

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  166. Coltaine777
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    Brude …i hope (pray) your correct…I don’t expect anything even close to that …would be great though…curious how @HBO specifically mentions GOT…maybe it is something really big…

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  167. Posted June 13, 2010 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    My only problem= 8.45? That is east or west coast time.

    Asking only beacuse, I want to know if I will know about tomorrow when I wakes.

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  168. Posted June 13, 2010 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    I just don't know…I'd LOVE that, I would, but with the True Blood featurettes and the other shows, I'm really not sure if there will be enough time.

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  169. Posted June 13, 2010 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    It's at 8:45 in the Pacific Time listings. Sometimes they show things earlier on the East coast, though. I always had to avoid Twitter on Lost nights so I'd miss any spoilers.

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  170. paulgude
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    Well, we were wondering here if there was going to be anything Game of Thrones related. It's possible that they're reading the blog and decided to "answer" with that little hint. If nothing else, we know there's going to be SOMETHING, which is good enough for me.

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  171. Posted June 13, 2010 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Thanks, It is about 5 AM central european time, I am looking forward to log in to this site, when I wake.

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  172. Posted June 13, 2010 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Fingers crossed!

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  173. Posted June 13, 2010 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    So, if, hopefully, there will be some footage, when will we be able of seeing it online?

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  174. Posted June 13, 2010 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Well, the first "Boardwalk Empire" teaser was posted to YouTube in January, nine months before the series is set to start. If we apply that to an April start for Game of Thrones (just a guess, based on this years "Spring Show" Treme starting on April 11th) then I would guess July?

    Again, that's a seat-of-my-pants guess, no knowledge whatsoever. Of course, there's a chance whatever they show will make its way onto YouTube or what have you through unofficial channels.

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  175. Posted June 13, 2010 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Nice. Hope someone remembers to record it then, lol.

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  176. Posted June 13, 2010 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Someone needs to take it upon themselves to tape this and if there is any GOT stuff on it you must post it somewere so I can see it. Just graduated high school on friday, don't have any moneys for HBO.

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  177. Posted June 13, 2010 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    I'm about 99.99% certain someone will. Maybe even more.

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  178. burth
    Posted June 13, 2010 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Well, the trailer featured shots of Bored to Death, Hung, Entourage, Boardwalk Empire and some show I couldn't place, so my guess is there really won't be much time for a GoT appearance. But a little is better than nothing!

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  179. Posted June 18, 2010 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdanZbgb0PQ&fe
    Here’s a link to that promo for the pre-show. All it says is highly anticipated HBO productions. I guess GOT counts as one of those ;)

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